I'm wondering about the advantages and disadvantages to early plane shifts.
The wise one wrote that an ideal pattern would have the least plane shifts, however, plane shifts are accepted. Is there a relationship between the number of shifts and the earlier the shifts occur in the backswing?
I'm wondering about the advantages and disadvantages to early plane shifts.
The wise one wrote that an ideal pattern would have the least plane shifts, however, plane shifts are accepted. Is there a relationship between the number of shifts and the earlier the shifts occur in the backswing?
Years ago I was a fan of early Plane-Shifts. Then I changed and I think that Late Plane-Shifts have their place, especially with multiple Plane-Shifts. In the Book somewhere (I'll try and find the reference) it says that the Last Plane shift is the most important one and that it occurs later in the swing than earlier ones.
Plane shifts are like kids. You can't stop at one. You should have two or more. It's a balance thing. One going up so why not one going down? Think Rhythm. 1,2 or 1,2,3.
I don't know, if the earlier during the Backswing a Plane-Shift occurs, means that you'll have more of them. But, it sure does give you an opportunity to have as many as you want.
Look for a thread that Bucket posted some time ago. It was titled "Shift into high gear with Plane-Shifts".
There are ways to somewhat overcome the problems with Plane Shifts. But if you're willing to work on them, then why not rather work to eliminate them?
If a Golfer includes a Plane Shift during the Downswing then 99% of his problems will be poor execution while learning to control that shift.
Originally Posted by slicer mcgolf
I didnt find the thread but I found a few others, including one I started on a similar subject. Clearly my idea isn't clear yet.
What I read was:
plane shifts are hazardous because they change the path of the hands and creates a more chaotic model.
Not exactly on the money. The Hands path changes but the club shaft may point to another plane. Who's watching the store?
Originally Posted by slicer mcgolf
hand path and plane shifts are directly related to the pivot - hip action, knee action, spine tilt.
This is true only in "Pivot Controlled Hands" Procedures.
Originally Posted by slicer mcgolf
right elbow position dictates the hand path, and therefore if and when plane shifts happen.
Not exactly on the money. In TGM, the Hands (with assistance of Extensor Action) dictates Right Elbow Location for Release. However, with any Downstroke Plane Shift, the Pivot determines the Right Elbow Location and Release Point.
Originally Posted by slicer mcgolf
The shortest distance between 2 points is a straight line. Great for the backswing.
And the Downstroke.
Originally Posted by slicer mcgolf
Therefore a longer line can create more speed, so would a loop or early plane shifts on the way down create more speed?
Can you "loop" and strike the ball on the sweet spot with a three dimensional Impact? I read somewhere that the "Happy Gilmore" swing actually increased Clubhead Speed. But they said it increased "Torque".
If your goal is gaining club-head speed, then:
Quote:
2-M-2 POWER REGULATION Clubhead Lag Pressure Point pressure (6-C) is the Power Regulator. It meters out Power by sensing Clubhead Acceleration Rate and Direction. That is:
To vary the Effective Clubhead Mass, vary
1. The Acceleration Rate (Lag Pressure 7-11)
2. The Swing Radius (length of the Primary Lever Assembly 6-B-0)
To vary Clubhead Speed, vary
3. Acceleration Time (Length of the Stroke 10-21)
4. The Release Interval (Centrifugal Reaction 6-N-0)
So it is optional to use any one or any combination of the four alternatives. Also study 12-0 in this connection.
Do you prefer a backswing with no plane shift? Or are you referring to eliminating it all in the downswing?
I think a loop can be matched with a pivot that can create a tremendous amount of speed. The only reason I'm mentioning a loop is in an effort to describe a shallowing out the downstroke of a steep backswing with early/multiple shifts.
I'm wondering about the advantages and disadvantages to early plane shifts.
The wise one wrote that an ideal pattern would have the least plane shifts, however, plane shifts are accepted. Is there a relationship between the number of shifts and the earlier the shifts occur in the backswing?
One thing that makes Homers statements about Plane Shifts confusing is his acknowledgment of non shaft or non Longitudinal Center of Gravity, non Sweetspot Plane, Planes of Motion. In regard to the Angle of Approach Procedure for instance, he is quoted as saying something to the effect of " remember, its not a shaft plane, its a clubhead plane".
Further complicating things is his acknowledgement that a golfer doesnt need to return to the shaft plane for impact if the ball separates prior to the clubface striking the ground. In his day , most every golfer played a standard lie angle which was located closer to the Elbow Plane than a Turned Shoulder Plane and yet good golfers made excellent contact on a variety of plane angles.
We modern day golfers, in the era of dynamic lie adjustment etc tend to see the shaft plane as the plane of startup and impact. Making a Double Shift seem logical given that the shaft plane is too flat to locate at Top. Homer observed that it was in fact the Longitudinal Center of Gravity , the Sweetspot Plane that Centrifugal Force was acting upon as opposed to the clubshaft. As such he believed you could align the Sweetspot Plane to the Turned Shoulder Plane at Address and despite the Heal up alignment negotiate a shiftless swing with pure contact assuming the ball was gone before the toe dug in. This was his Shiftless Swing. Remember though that despite the fact Homer said that changing planes was hazardous, Plane Angle is less critical than Plane Line Tracing in the hierarchy of Plane Compliance. Changing Planes is hazardous but not as hazardous as bending the Plane Line , in other words. He did appreciate what he termed a golfers "psychological need" to return to the shaft or Elbow Plane although he believed there to be no mechanical advantage to it.
I personally find all it all very confusing, but ............to answer your question Slice, Id say .........I dont know about early shifts vs later but what is of critical importance is that you get on the Plane you select for Impact as early as you possibly can!
Me personally Im a Single Shifter , but have no reason why, it just is.
The Ultimate Goal is no plane shift, at least on the down stroke. The starting point is where you are now. If something doesn't work for you, it's not the component but your understanding of it and how to apply it.
Daryl, how far in front of your front foot is your aimpoint for...
your driver and woods? I know that "it depends..." is part of the answer but I'm tring to discover what makes a pro's ball flight fly so low then pop-up to land so softly.
Patrick
Originally Posted by Daryl
The Ultimate Goal is no plane shift, at least on the down stroke. The starting point is where you are now. If something doesn't work for you, it's not the component but your understanding of it and how to apply it.
Die-Hard TGMer
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
your driver and woods? I know that "it depends..." is part of the answer but I'm tring to discover what makes a pro's ball flight fly so low then pop-up to land so softly.
Patrick
I don't use an alternative Aiming Point. I adjust Ball Position and Stance, Target and Plane lines. I use what I call a "Flying Wedge Waggle" which shows me the adjustments needed for that particular length of club. So everything is adjusted to "Impact Fix".
If you want to hit "boomers" then grip down 2-3 inches. Increase the Angle of Attack for any given loft-club length.
Hybrid Mode
