First up,I am totally TGM,make no mistake,my question is what do "other" golf teaching systems have that make their followers not want to embrace TGM.I mean,FLW ,lag,extensor action etc,etc.What other teaching principles do they employ that are so different to homers teachings.Thanks in advance
First up,I am totally TGM,make no mistake,my question is what do "other" golf teaching systems have that make their followers not want to embrace TGM.I mean,FLW ,lag,extensor action etc,etc.What other teaching principles do they employ that are so different to homers teachings.Thanks in advance
Jack Kuykendall does not believe anyone can even perform having a flat left wrist- let alone maintain one. He is a true Homer Kelley basher- he believes that a bend left arm is another lever as well as flipping he left wrist is another power lever. I got into an email conversation with him years ago. It fell apart the moment I answered his challenge questions he thought no one could. He told me he was a chronic flipper. He claims to be the greatest golf scientist/swing inventor in the world. He didn't even get Moe's swing right for Natural Golf. Pure Nut Job- There is one site that won't even print his name in fear of being sued by him for that very reason.
BTW- On Kuykendall's site where is bashes Homer, he lifted copyrighted images and diagrams from a physics book that I have in my library- It is a High School Physics book that non-college prep students learn from. Not exactly the stuff a self proclaimed genius would steal from. I got mine from a garage sale of an old science teacher in the neighborhood.
Many of the concepts Homer developed like Extensor Action, Flying Wedges, to name two, don't even exist in the outside golf world. Like a fish claiming jet aircraft can't fly- they aren't aware of flight. The outside Golfworld can't dispute something that doesn't exist in their kingdom. Most of the bashing comes from chalkboard amateur non-golfer physicists claiming Chapter two is wrong because it doesn't fit into Quantum Physics. Homer didn't write a golf swing science book- Homer wanted to improve golfers not write the end all to end all science golf books. Simple Newtonian laws of motion that exist even today in the new Quantum physics era post Einstein.
Can't we limit our bashing to golf systems and not to golf professionals. Better yet why not discuss the pros and cons of TGM versus other methods in an intellectual manner and not bash at all
Can't we limit our bashing to golf systems and not to golf professionals. Better yet why not discuss the pros and cons of TGM versus other methods in an intellectual manner and not bash at all
Its hard to separate Kuykendall from his system. He is one of the original Kelley attackers since the internet became popular. To avoid his barbs without defense would be ludicrous.
We all know the merits of TGM and the joy Homer Kelley had in sharing it. It is about 180 degrees from what Jack is all about.
This is not a bash- just an HONEST assessment of what I know about him from former students, his web site, and my email conversation with him.
Can't we limit our bashing to golf systems and not to golf professionals. Better yet why not discuss the pros and cons of TGM versus other methods in an intellectual manner and not bash at all
Thanks and well said HG,thats exactly what Im after,comparisons between TGM and other.I read somewhere that TGM when it first came on the scene,it was branded "controversial"
If any Admin wants to remove my posts please do- I did not post a single false word about Jack or his past history toward TGM. It sometimes pays to know the whole story. TGM was and still is "controversial" because of bashers like Jack keeping misconceptions alive. Sorry I upset everyone with some truth.
Jack Kuykendall does not believe anyone can even perform having a flat left wrist- let alone maintain one. He is a true Homer Kelley basher- he believes that a bend left arm is another lever as well as flipping he left wrist is another power lever. I got into an email conversation with him years ago. It fell apart the moment I answered his challenge questions he thought no one could. He told me he was a chronic flipper. He claims to be the greatest golf scientist/swing inventor in the world. He didn't even get Moe's swing right for Natural Golf. Pure Nut Job- There is one site that won't even print his name in fear of being sued by him for that very reason.
BTW- On Kuykendall's site where is bashes Homer, he lifted copyrighted images and diagrams from a physics book that I have in my library- It is a High School Physics book that non-college prep students learn from. Not exactly the stuff a self proclaimed genius would steal from. I got mine from a garage sale of an old science teacher in the neighborhood.
Jack Kuykendall does not believe anyone can even perform having a flat left wrist- let alone maintain one. He is a true Homer Kelley basher- he believes that a bend left arm is another lever as well as flipping he left wrist is another power lever. I got into an email conversation with him years ago. It fell apart the moment I answered his challenge questions he thought no one could. He told me he was a chronic flipper. He claims to be the greatest golf scientist/swing inventor in the world. He didn't even get Moe's swing right for Natural Golf. Pure Nut Job- There is one site that won't even print his name in fear of being sued by him for that very reason.
BTW- On Kuykendall's site where is bashes Homer, he lifted copyrighted images and diagrams from a physics book that I have in my library- It is a High School Physics book that non-college prep students learn from. Not exactly the stuff a self proclaimed genius would steal from. I got mine from a garage sale of an old science teacher in the neighborhood.
Hi Mike. Do you also realize that he teaches a very specialized TGM stroke and sells clubs that are really only useful for that specific stroke? I got taken by that guy and spent a year avoiding TGM because of his "rap." UGH!
Patrick
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
I have taken a look at several alternatives to TGM the last 9 months or so. Some of the more interesting alternative seem to be heavily influenced by HK. His legacy is secured as far as I can see.
LBG have a TGM cousin over at Advanced Ball Striking, mr John Erickson. He was originally a student of Ben Doyle, and basically was breeded into a swinging TGM pattern. In the middle of his professional carreer, he concluded that the stroke pattern he had grown up with didn't hold up under pressure and converted to what he calls Pivot Driven Hitting. Per description it is quite different from the hitting protocol that is so often discussed here, but apart from a few specialities that he has implemented (such as using clubs with very flat lies) I am not quite sure what the real differences is when we get past the semantics. I think there is a different understanding of the pivot and Accumulator #4. But on the other hand, Lynn Blake's hitting pattern looks very pivot driven as well. It takes a pretty good eye to see the difference when Lynn Blake hits or swings. He has a beautiful pivot motion with both stroke patterns.
Then there is a bunch of Ben Hogan followers. I wouldn't excactly call it a teaching school, because it is probably mostly for the enthusiasts. But nevertheless, there is a very active subforum dedicated to exploring BH's swing over at Golfwrx.com. A lot of very knowledgeable people there too, and some of them also know their TGM.
Then you have MORAD, which is Mac O'Grady's project. I don't know much about the swing, but he was a HK disciple and while he eventually concluded that TGM had serious shortcomings, he still seems to attribute at least 75% of his approach to HK and TGM. What's perhaps more interesting on the big scene is that the current big hit - the Stack & Tilt - was developed from guys that came from MORAD and was heavily influenced by TGM. I am reading the S&T book these days. It is a pretty simple motion, and what they write is very goal oriented and relevant. Everyone who struggles with a slice and with inconsistent ball contact should read it. As I said, heavily influenced by TGM, but the style and purpose is totally different. HK tried to make a general theory of ball striking. These guys have done the opposite; Deliberately emphasizing a stroke pattern and components that (hopefully) cures the slice and produces solid ball contact time and again.
A very different approach that I find very interesting and refreshing - and also very complimentary to TGM is the works of mr Kelvin Myiahira. He is a speed trainer that has become very occupied with golf lately. His work seems to be only moderately influenced by the golfing literature. I can't see that what he teaches is much in conflict with TGM, but he is emphasizing different aspects of the golf stroke. If you wander what happens between the hips and the shoulders you might find spending a couple of hours reading his blog worthwhile.
There are of course a lot of other teaching approaches out there too, but most of them are very hands-on, lacks a systematic approach, leaves a lot to the teacher and can't really be regardet as a school.
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