Im still noodling this one over: When does the Right Elbow/Arm get back on plane going down?

Its on plane at Fix, assuming a RFFW. Its on plane at Impact assuming a RFFW. Its not on the Inclined Plane at Top (the plane of the Right Wrist Bend, the RFFW is still intact).

Shift
 

Yes Jerry, the left hip slides parallel to the
target line while hips are still turned. This
sets the right shoulder on plane provided the
hands stay put.

The Crossroads
 

Right you are, Donn.

In the Backstroke, the Right Shoulder Turns 'Flat Back' toward the Inclined Plane. At the Top (Hands Shoulder High), it joins the Hands On Plane. From there, even at the End (Hands beyond Right Shoulder High), it initates their On Plane Acceleration toward the Ball.

But . . .

The Shoulder is servant to the Hip Turn, and the Hands are servant to the Shoulder.

At Start-Down, the Right Hip must 'clear' -- left and inwards as the Shoulder stays back -- and thus pull the Lagging Shoulder Downplane. Only then can the Shoulder direct the Hands and their straight-line Lag Pressure Thrust towards the Ball.

This is the stumbling block few surmount. Almost always, the Right Shoulder turns off (above) the Plane, taking the Hands with it and condemning the golfer to a steep, 'above Plane' Impact and its stifling of the Right Arm drive. Hence the high handicaps that dominate amateur golf.

As always, Educated Hands (and their intent to direct Lag Pressure Thrust toward the Baseline and Ball) are the key.

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So the "clearing" of the Right Hip in Startdown is a Slide with a Delayed Turn, is that right Lynn? And at the same representing the Hips pull of the Shoulders in the Pivot Train? As opposed to a Hip Turn representing the Hips pulling the Shoulders?

This is a very confusing question. When does this slide take place, is it the period from the top to the end of the backswing which is how I think of when watching Hogan.

Hip Action and the On Plane Right Shoulder
 

The Hips pull the Shoulders Down Plane. The minimal Hip Slide -- just enough to get the Weight to the Left Foot -- allows the Right Shoulder to remain On Plane during the Start Down. Then, in full Strokes, the Hip Turn/Action thrusts the Shoulder Downplane toward the Ball, thus providing the initial Acceleration and Delivery of the Loaded Power Package to Release.

From the Top
 

The Hip Slide precedes the Start Down, the period of Shoulder Acceleration from the Top, i.e., the end of the Backstroke when all Hand Motion has ceased.

Yoda do you include the slide in your Startdown waggles or just start with your weight already left? I fall sometimes fall into the habit of Sliding and Waggling at the same time which cant be good.

Power Loading
 

My Weight moves strongly to the Left Side -- assuming its not there already, e.g., in the Short Strokes -- while my Right Hip remains in its Turned condition. This movement (the Hip Shift that is itself the Weight Shift) Loads the Lag Pressure Point, increases the Downstroke Shoulder Turn Lag (Maximum Trigger Delay of the #4 Accumulator) and initates the Pull of the Arms Downplane.

A sharp Backstroke Turn, a Downstroke Hip Slide only (before the Arm Motion begins) encourages "On Plane" Pivot alignments. So it's -- Turn, Slide, Swing. [Bold emphasis is in the original text.]

-- The Golfing Machine (Third Edition / 3-F-5)

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Thanks Yoda

Ive learned that in tournament golf, for me anyways, its the Downstroke Shoulder Turn Lag (Maximum Trigger Delay of #4) that is the first thing to go when I get tense. As if the tension builds first in my arm to shoulder connections and so I try to breath and relax in the upper arms and shoulders and then feel the Lag loading at the #4 Pressure Point. Its a good trick when you need a long drive instead of tensing up to give it a whack or if its cold out too, I find.

Homer did say "lag in all of its forms". Its not just that singular #3 pressure point or left hand wrist cock.