Drag the mop
 

WILL someone be nice enough to explain what this means,and how to accomplish it


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Here you go, direct from Yoda to you!

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery...17/DragMop.wmv

Kevin

Thank you
 

Let me say thank you for posting that, with respect i say

i know Yoda knowS how to demonstrate it. I want to know how? its accomplished.

I certainly do appreciate your time.

ONE

full swing too
 

Good video. The same principle applies to the full swing. The club head lags behind the hands through impact. Think about an old fashion mop...if you were to swing it like a golf club, the mophead would be lagging behind the stick its mounted on.

EXACTLY.

onebecamefive, it's a "feel."

See how Yoda has the club head lagging behind the hands. SLOWLY...
Please notice the pressure he is putting on the shaft through the line of compression.
Man, that club "feels" heavy!

Draaaaaaaaag the mop...

Make a little more sense? I hope this helps, it is HUGE to our studies...

Kevin

Thank you
 

yes that to me made sense. IS there any slo motion video anywhere?

ONE

Take a mob with just your back hand. Drag it along the kitchen tile. Maintain the pressure against the handle with your back index finger.

To help your wife out, maybe add some water to the mob.:)

Mop is tops
 

Dont' weasel out and use a broom! :laughing9 It was a year before I actually dragged an actual mop....it was night and day. :salut:

The mop works great!
As an alternative, I am wondering if one might take a dowel (approximately the length of a golf club), set it against a stationary vertical object such as a door frame or floor joist (as I do down in the dungeon), then, as one would go into impact position, press the dowel against the vertical object as if in an impact position.
Once you are in a set postion you can lean into it a bit one side at a time. It seems to help in finding a grip position with each hand to take the best advantage of applying some force. It also seems to help isolate extensors.
I just tried it last night and kind of got carried away. With help from Mr. Carter I found it may assist in helping formulate my aiming point a little more clearly. I even tried it with the PBS. I might have to try it with a TALY!

Heck, use everything at once. My Smart Stick will be here soon, we'll add that as well! :)

Kevin

Homer said the secret to golf was Lag. The "drag the wet mop" analogy refers to the feeling associated with lag. The wet mop is heavy and as such creates more drag and lag, inertia. It resists the changes in direction more than a lighter dry mop or broom with less mass.

The clubhead is in the process of overtaking the hands during the downswing. TGM wants us to hit the ball with the hands ahead of the ball and the clubhead trailing or lagging behind. A heavy feeling, lagging clubhead. Once the clubhead passes the hands the lag is gone, over. This lagging condition can be sensed, monitored, ideally nursed via the Lag Pressure Point (the #3 pressure point) between the knuckle and the first joint of the right index finger.

If Homer thought the secret to golf was Lag you can imagine the importance of the Lag Pressure Point. I now view concentration as pressure point awareness. With a feeling of lag in the pressure point #3 good things happen golf wise.

Try it with some short chip shots and see if you discover a correlation. If you do and decide to keep your focus on the pressure points you'll be ahead of the game.

Pbs
 

I hope it's OK to mention here:

Jeff Evans has a great product called the Pure Ball Striker. It's a small rubber thing that fits on the grip. You place it right under the pp#3 point. It severely increases the focus on lag, and where you aim the lag. Simple and great.

That would be JEFF EVANS!

Here is Jeff's blog:

http://pureballstriker.blogspot.com/

Kevin

In the 'drag the mop' clip - is Yoda doing basic or acquired motion .. looks a bit more than 2 ft. to me - but less than what I perceive as acquired.

Also, he seems to break his wrists immediately at start of takeaway - I thought the ideal way is to take everything back as one triangle unit until they break naturally. Thanks for any feedback.

Drag the wet mop or Lag should be present in every stroke (although in Ernie's short game book he blades a wedge by letting the club pass the hands, weird). From memory Id say Yoda was in Acquired. Basic is a one Power Accumulator deal, in Acquired you acquire another Power Accumulator or two, a Pivot for instance if you're hitting your Basic shots with a straightening right arm only .


TGM uses the "Triangle" analogy too but with one side, the right side, shortening right off the start. Very different from the old "rock the frozen triangle" concept which promoted "pivot to hands" , an over turning of the shoulders sending the hands and club off plane. You can use the search function to research these terms. Mr Kelley was pretty big on the right arm bending, in fact he assigned much of the swing to just that action and labeled it "The Magic of the Right Forearm". Do some research and give it a try, you'll never go back to a frozen triangle I bet. I wont anyways.

Also search "tracing" as opposed to "covering", "fanning, bending" . Good luck with it.

My most important post, ever
 

The secret that people search for but never find is that right arm/elbow bending should never be used inadvertently to raise the club for standard stroke patterns. Once the amount of right elbow bend needed to match your chosen swing plane is determined at impact fix, returning to Adjusted Address will bend your right elbow to within an inch of Release Elbow Bend.

“Magic of the Right Forearm” theorizes that you only need one more inch of bend to fully cock the left wrist. So, HK found a perfect way to discover the amount of bend needed at Release. Furthermore, if you maintain that angle of bend from Backstroke through Release then you can return the Right Forearm to precisely the same plane angle. If you Bend more, then you’ll need to unbend the Elbow to return to your pre-established Plane Angle at Release. If you bend the right arm to raise the club, then throw the Golfing Machine book in the garbage. Raise the Club to the Top of your Swing with your Right Deltoid Muscles (Extensor Action). The amount of Right arm bend determines your swing plane angle. Extensor Action maintains that Plane Angle throught the stroke. Duh.

7-3 Furthermore, in compliance with 6-B-3-0-1, Bending and Straightening the Right Elbow will RAISE AND LOWER the Left Arm and/or COCK AND UNCOCK the Left Wrist with out Bending, Flattening or Cocking the Right Wrist. Practice this first at Impact Fix. So, the Right Elbow Action either powers and/or controls all three elements of Three Dimensional Impact (6-C-0) per 1-L-9. All this you will come to know as the MAGIC OF THE RIGH FOREARM.

I have to admit my below average intellect. For so many years I thought that you were supposed to bend your right arm to in order to raise your left arm. I’m an idiot. I never realized that Homer was simply stating that a straighter right arm has a steeper plane angle (the arm is higher at the top of the backstroke) and a more bent right arm has a shallower plane (the arm is lower at the top of the backstroke) and all of this is made possible because of Extensor Action raises the arms without changing the Bend. And very important to know he is saying that if you bend your right arm to raise the Club, then you will bend, flatten or cock your right wrist.

Why didn't he just say it that way and save me 20 years of frustration.............................

What a journey!

Yoda, that's why I played so well in Vegas. By keeping my head stationary, I had extension and didn't bend my right elbow further. Hmm? Maybe now that I understand extensor action I can move my head again...NO!

The BOOK has just been unlocked for me. Everything is clear, no more confusion. Without extensor action you will forever have Pivot Controlled Hands and swing on the Elbow Plane. You don't cause extensor action by pushing with right triceps muscles, extensor action is caused by the left arm check-reign when you raise the club to the top of your stroke with your right deltoid muscle, that way, your right triceps will tighten (push) automatically. THAT'S why Extensor action isn't listed under address in the mechanics checklist; because it doesn't exist until you engage right deltoid muscle. You have to artificially create extensor force for short shot power package structure. Thats why it says RHYTHM next to extensor action in the checklist, because extensor action holds the left arm against the chest (deltoid) so you won't pull down with your arms. Its a below plane force that counteracts the #4 accumulator which is an above plane force; thereby giving the #3 pressure point serious control to TRACE the PLANE LINE and travel ON-PLANE.

EXTENSOR ACTION is not FORCING the Left Arm straight..It's keeping the Left Arm from Bending the Right Arm so that the hands will stay the same distance from the left shoulder at all times without increasing or decreasing right elbow bend. Therefore, Extensor Action controls the Right Elbows Location at ALL times except Address and Finish.

Ive spent 25 years with this book. I want my diploma!

Wait!! The Journey begins anew!:laughing9



I think it's called "The Magic of the Right Forearm" because once that paragraph is understood, the book "magically" becomes clear.:laughing9

Thanks for the great post...just one question......in compliance with 6-B-3-0-1,Bending and Straightening the Right Elbow will RAISE AND LOWER the Left Arm and/or COCK AND UNCOCK the Left Wrist without Bending, Flattening or Cocking the Right Wrist. Practice this first at Impact Fix...

Are you asking a Question KOC?

many hours later.............I get what you're saying KOC and I understand. I know, it was right in front of me, but I just didn't get it. Maybe I'm below average. But I stuck with it, I never gave up, never stopped believing. "If I only knew then what I know now"................................:)

After a few years of bending the right elbow to lift the club, I have dispensed with it and focus on taking the club back with the right forearm belly down. It has made a big difference.

The Pro’s, if they only knew. Shoulder Turn/Torso Turn Take-away.

It’s a lot easier to make a good start than a good recovery. :)

One important aspect of 'accomplishing it' is to know what's 'behind' it - literally! The left thumb is behind the shaft, PP#1 is behind the shaft, the three fingers of the left hand (PP#2) are behind the shaft and finally PP#3 is behind the shaft.

To mix my metaphors, thats where the rubber meets the road. :happy3:

Is dragging the mop feel best suited for "swingers" and not so much for "hitters"? Or is it a good feel for both?

Drive the Wet Mop
 

Hitters should substitute the phrase "DRIVE the wet mop."

:salut:

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Andy,
you say the left thumb is behind the shaft. I am having a hard time grasping that. My grip has the left thumb just to the aft side of center on top of the shaft at address. Does the "feel" of PP1 move behind the shaft as you begin down because the left arm is turned some? Or is it taken literally that the left is always behind the shaft at address etc..I saw Yoda talk about this in his DVD's which I have also, just not in too much detail.

thanks
Joe

I can totally relate to your confusion.

'Drag the mop' refers to an Impact Feel.

Check out this video from the free gallery. :golf: Click

right I have seen the vid, it appears #1 is behind the shaft at impact because it looks left the FLW is angled as you can see the back of his glove and not just a vertical left wrist.

Yoda has said that with a FLW that the left thumb is behind the shaft, just want to make sure I am getting it right.

Tonight, I was playing with the grip some, sliding that left thumb a little over to the right some more, This did allow me to really feel that thumb in the lifeline of the right hand a whole lot more than ever.
At the webbing my thumb and first finger were still together, but the thumb was apart a little more down below.
I have always had that left thumb on top of or just a hair away from the center of the shaft.

I just want to make sure I am not missing out that PP#1 sensation

thanks for any help
Joe

BTW, joeunc, are you a swinger or a hitter?

PP#1 is used exclusively for hitting.

Anyways, with regard to the left hand grip, it is specific to each individual.

Let your left arm hang at your side (which is low point) and keeping your body and left arm completely still, place the club in your left hand with the heel pad (Thenar muscle) on top of the grip and the clubface perpendicular to the target line, and you will have YOUR perfect left hand grip.

You should always align your clubface at low point, BTW, which will result in the clubface being slightly open at address. (Although, of course, less and less so the ball moves forward.)

thanks, that would put it a little stronger that what I have had in the past. I am trying to be a hitter. I am new to TGM, but I do have Yoda's DVDs and have learned a lot. I do basic motion and acquired with a right arm thrust or at least I try to make it that way. Only thing is, I have been setting up at impact fix. I have been setting up at adjusted address ball middle to slight forward. I use Ben Doyles setup routine. I started my own thread on the grip and PP#1 so as not to threadjack here, if you want to reply in that one.
Thanks for the help
Joe

I love this. Hitting and Swinging arent necessarily that different.

Unlike the Swinger the Hitter gets no free ride courtesy of CF and left arm throwout. So the hitter must create his own Lag with a continuos, steady application of Right Arm Thrust at PP1. Once he stops thrusting, the lag subsides. Thrust all the way down to Both Arms Straight. You can only drive the wet mop as long as the right arm is in the process of straightening. Once its straight its over. This requires some help from the right shoulder to ensure you dont run out of right arm too early. Leaving the right shoulder back in Startdown will cause to run out of right arm earlier.......good for a short put or chip maybe but not a driver.

8-iron mop
 

Mopping the fairway...
:) I like to just walk down the fairway with both hands on my 8-iron, dragging the leading edge, hands in impact condition, upper wrist palmar flexed and ulnar deviated... (flat/arched and uncocked)
Of course it has to be the 8-iron and the sun has to be on my light carrybag, the bag radiating a bit of warmth...

Still Snacking on this
 

[quote=Daryl;63282]The secret that people search for but never find is that right arm/elbow bending should never be used inadvertently to raise the club for standard stroke patterns. Once the amount of right elbow bend needed to match your chosen swing plane is determined at impact fix, returning to Adjusted Address will bend your right elbow to within an inch of Release Elbow Bend.

Daryl,

In reference to what is in bold and underlined are you saying that the impact fix degree of bend of the right elbow is not maintained in the adjusted address postion...AND that any bend during start-up is an effort to reestablish the fix degree of RIGHT elbow bend, AND usually not more than an inch is necessary?
I am hopeful that it will not take me twenty years by virtue of the fact that it did you! :salut:

[quote=okie;68525]No. I'm saying that elbow bending ceases at the end of the takeaway. During the Backstroke and Downstroke it's fixed, until Release, where it Unbends gradually to Both Arms Straight.

Pardon my density. If I started from fix, as opposed to adjusted what would my right elbow do? I may have botched what you were trying to convey. I thought that the fix amount of elbow bend, much like the right wrist degree of bend, is constant from start-up until release. Of course the right wrist bend is not lost like the right elbow bend. Please set me straight!

At Fix, your Right Elbow is Bent. IMHO, it's bent a fairly good amount. It's bent a little more at Release. So, if you start your Take-away from Fix, then it should Bend more.



Set you straight? You're already twenty years ahead of me. :) Hmm?, Twenty years to figure that out. I'm not the sharpest pencil in the box. :laughing9

"I think that the fix amount of elbow bend, much like the right wrist degree of bend, is constant from the end of start-up until release. Of course the right wrist bend is not lost like the right elbow bend."

That's why I call it a "rigid Power Package". I'm trying to convey that there is a fixed degree of Elbow Bend during the Backstroke (end of Start-up) and Downstroke. Then, at Release, the Elbow, for a Swinger, is allowed to begin and continue to straighten until both arms are straight.

I can't get confirmation from others, yet in my own swing, it works perfectly by returning the right forearm to the exact Plane it was on at the end of start-up, except now, the Forearm is at Release.

Right wrist bend can be "fixed" but elbow bend can not. As a drill let your left arm hang below your shoulder then use your right hand to grab your left wrist. You will notice that your right wrist is bent. Now use your right arm to lift and lower your left arm "back, up, and in" across your chest. You will notice that your right wrist is fixed but your elbow will bend to top then straighten to follow through. This is the "magic of the right forearm".

Freezing the elbow is not advised for full motion shots.

Master Jeff,

1. Sorry for the Long Vapid post.
2. Glad to hear from you.

I hear you loud and clear. What you describe is exactly what I see from almost anyone who swings a club.

Unfortunately, this causes seemingly endless incongruities. Hang on, I don't want to complicate things, but this is where the roller coaster ride dumps us into the deep end of the Twilight Zone. Affectionately known as Zone #4. :laughing9

1. If Bending the Right Elbow lifts the Club to the Top, then why does HK write:
2. Extensor Action uses Triceps muscles. Bending the Elbow uses Biceps muscles. I can't push and pull simultaneously. Is it just me?

3. When the Left Arm moves away from the chest, release begins. Doesn't unbending the Right Elbow during the Downstroke force the Left Arm away from the chest?

4. How do you reconcile the fact that Unbending the Right Elbow During the Downstroke, forces the "Point" of the Right Arm Wedge, while tracing the Plane Line, causes the Clubhead to trace a parallel line unless the Unbending Forearm is on the Actual Swing Plane? This took at least a year for me to understand. :laughing9

5. I've watch Yoda's video demonstrating the Right Forearm being Driven into Release from the Top of the Swing. He fixes the Right Elbow and simply Raises and Lowers his Right Arm with his shoulder Muscles.

I have about a dozen more incongruities just like these but I can't remember them all on short notice.

Such as the Following Quote:

So, If the Right Elbow Straightens during the Downstroke, wouldn't the Power Package be moving at a different speed than the Right Shoulder?


Let me leave you with one more. This is one of the most difficult.

If the Right Elbow unbends during the Downstroke, then how does the Right Elbow maintain it's 3 dimensional path, which is required in order for Right Elbow Action to "either powers and/or controls all three elements of Three Dimensional Impact (6-C-0) per 1-L-9." If the Right Elbow moves off plane, it can still power but not control. So what must we do for Right Elbow Action to Power and Control all three elements of Three Dimensional Impact?

Whew, that's a walk down memory lane. Anyway, after struggling with these issues for years, I found that the "Fixed Right Elbow" solves them all.

So, What do you think?

Exactly. No bending right elbow, no Magic.

Okie,

See what I mean? No Confirmation. 20 years down the drain if I'm wrong.

This relates to Delivery only. To unbend the Right Arm would be to Release. Power is Accumulated, Stored, Delivered and then Released. Full power requiring a delayed Release and hence a Delivery of the Stored Power without any premature firing, right Arm Straightening.