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birdie_man 08-24-2005 12:43 AM

Right forearm pull?
 
I'm a swinger.

My problem is that when I do a RFT....the only thing that I don't like, and that I can't seem to get the hang of....is the startdown.

It seems to me that when I use a RFT (which places my awareness in my right arm).....I get the unspeakable....leakage.

I'm not a guy who usually has leakage as much of a concern BTW....I'm not a hack.

If I take it away with BOTH hands, I'm fine. If I use a STT, I'm fine. No leakage that's ANY kind of concern.

Now....I'm thinking that when I use both hands or a STT, my "awareness" (it's hard to explain...but I can't think of a better word right now) is more in the left side for the entire swing- rather than it being in the right arm.

SO...it makes it easier to pull with my left side in the downswing.

It's frustrating because I like everything about RFP except this. I like being on plane. :)

This is the Emergency Room? Well sir, then you can call this an EMERGENCY!!! "Help me 'doc,' I'm dyin' over here...."

8)

What's the call Yoda??

Yoda 08-24-2005 08:46 AM

The Swinger's Right Forearm Takeaway
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by birdie_man
I'm a swinger.

My problem is that when I do a RFT....the only thing that I don't like, and that I can't seem to get the hang of....is the startdown.

Now....I'm thinking that when I use both hands or a STT, my "awareness" (it's hard to explain...but I can't think of a better word right now) is more in the left side for the entire swing- rather than it being in the right arm.

SO...it makes it easier to pull with my left side in the downswing.

What's the call, Yoda??

Begin from the classic Swinger's Adjusted Address Wrist Conditions (Bent Left and Flat Right). Then, execute your Right Forearm Takeaway -- think On Line Extensor Action -- with the Forearm leading and the Clubhead lagging. Allow your Pivot to participate in that motion but not to disrupt its On Plane alignments (the Right Forearm and its angled Clubshaft extension continue to point at the straight line baseline of your Inclined Plane).

This Random Sweep Loading Action (10-22-B) will set up the Swinging Motion (7-9) and its Feel. In turn, this Feel will promote the correct Centrifugal Release Sequence from the Top, i.e., Body pulling Arms; Arms pulling Hands; and Hands pulling Club (6-M-1).

In addition to practicing the Takeaway itself, practice the Start Down Waggle (including its Extensor Action). This will ingrain the Feel of the correct On Line Start Down and allow the Body (with its unwinding of the Left Side) to initiate the Downstroke, thereby cranking up your Swinger's Gyroscope and sending the Clubhead into orbit toward Impact.

12 piece bucket 08-24-2005 02:29 PM

Re: The Swinger's Right Forearm Takeaway
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda
Begin from the classic Swinger's Adjusted Address Wrist Conditions (Bent Left and Flat Right). Then, execute your Right Forearm Takeaway -- think On Line Extensor Action -- with the Forearm leading and the Clubhead lagging. Allow your Pivot to participate in that motion but not to disrupt its On Plane alignments (the Right Forearm and its angled Clubshaft extension continue to point at the straight line baseline of your Inclined Plane).

Coach,

I know this is like shopping for men's clothes in the little boys section, but could you distinguish the above excellent description with the Hitter's start up? Is it pretty much the same for Hitters but just advisedly starting from Fix?

Thank you kindly.

B

Yoda 08-24-2005 08:03 PM

The Hitter's Right Forearm Takeaway
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda
Begin from the classic Swinger's Adjusted Address Wrist Conditions (Bent Left and Flat Right). Then, execute your Right Forearm Takeaway -- think On Line Extensor Action -- with the Forearm leading and the Clubhead lagging. Allow your Pivot to participate in that motion but not to disrupt its On Plane alignments (the Right Forearm and its angled Clubshaft extension continue to point at the straight line baseline of your Inclined Plane).

Coach,

I know this is like shopping for men's clothes in the little boys section, but could you distinguish the above excellent description with the Hitter's start up? Is it pretty much the same for Hitters but just advisedly starting from Fix?

Thank you kindly.

B

Per 7-9, the Hitter uses a Carryback Motion. Also, a Non-Lagging Clubhead Takeaway.

birdie_man 08-24-2005 09:21 PM

Thanks a heap for the reply Lynn. Really....I appreciate it.

Um....I think the problem was me not "tapping into" the Swinging Motion and it's Feel enough.

...and with me pulling down with my right arm instead of my body (left side or w/e).

I'll try it and report back.

-Paul

Matt 08-25-2005 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by birdie_man
Thanks a heap for the reply Lynn. Really....I appreciate it.

Um....I think the problem was me not "tapping into" the Swinging Motion and it's Feel enough.

...and with me pulling down with my right arm instead of my body (left side or w/e).

I'll try it and report back.

-Paul

Try this procedure:

Mid-body hands at address. Pick it up with the right forearm, letting the clubhead lag behind. Feel that "swinging" motion going back. At the top, let that momentum flow into PP3. "Catch it" while it's up there, then use your right shoulder to turn back downplane. No quitting - you have to keep moving. To me, when I'm striking it well, it feels like I just turn my right shoulder downplane and let the clubhead whirl out automatically. My body feels like it turns and as the arms approach impact the clubhead flies down-and-out into the ground.

If you start hitting hooks for misses, try loading it harder at the top. That was a key in my progression lately - if I didn't "throw" the club into PP3 hard enough, it would throw-out just a bit too soon at the bottom and...fore left. Lots of lag pressure made it feel to me like there was no way that clubhead was going to throw-out too early.

But like with all procedures, tempo and loading are crucial. You're in trouble if you try to start down without letting PP3 load at the top. I know it's tempting to crank down quickly, but you cannot let that happen. The club must feel like it flows into PP3, you catch it going back, and then move it back down. Remember, overacceleration is the menace that stalks all lag and drag.

Rhythm 08-27-2005 12:56 AM

Matt,

Very nice description of a swingers start down, I feel the exact same sensations. I especially like "catch it".

Rhythm

birdie_man 08-28-2005 12:01 AM

Thx for the reply Matt.

So you're saying to really load my PP3 at the end of my backswing so I can drag it downplane?

Like how B-Manz. talks about creating momentum with the backswing?

birdie_man 08-28-2005 12:10 AM

BTW .....

What then does a swinger do on shots where the Power Package is not fully assembled?

i.e. pitches that need a delicate touch.

...or short delicate chips with a sandwedge...

I really have trouble seeing how this could work with a RFT....seems like too small of a swing to switch from swinging the right arm in the backswing to letting the pivot start the downswing.....and still maintain a delicate touch.

If you don't know what I mean I can clarify.

I have no problem with this when I just rock the shoulders BTW.

EdZ 08-28-2005 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by birdie_man
BTW .....

What then does a swinger do on shots where the Power Package is not fully assembled?........

......I have no problem with this when I just rock the shoulders BTW.

Sounds like you have the answer.....

the power package need only be assembled enough for the shot at hand. Smaller shots, smaller swings and less 'angles' in your power package. Less Accumulators. The pivot is still the engine. Rocking the shoulders is a 'solid' way to go.


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