How Do I Start the Club Back?
 

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"I" meaning me?
 

There is a bejillion ways but Ive recently changed mine.

I used to:
-with the lower body resisting
-take a "firm triangle" back in "one piece" with my shoulders.
-"covering the line" with the club head staying over the plane line visually. This required my arms to separate from my body (slightly). "Low and wide." Outside the plane going back.
-id get to end with a lot of arm lifting.

This sort of push away with the shoulders and the left arm resulted in little wrist cock, (the elbow not bending) and angled to vertical hinging. Id try to compensate for these things with right wrist cocking and rolling forearms all the time aligned to nothing in particular. Pivot to hands

Now I:
-starting in fix (hitting)
-extensor action already turned on with #1 only! Although Im wondering about #3 when Im swinging from adjusted.
-clear the right hip. No knee action, knee motion only in response to the right hip going back. That is its really just the right hip going back nothing else actively although things do move around a little. The less the better Im thinking although I dont try to hold them still or anything.
- with a relaxed right elbow and a frozen right wrist I use the Right Forearm Takeaway , fanning and bending to take the club back , up and in, while staying on plane.

Hands to pivot when its working. I liken it to sort of two actions pulling other components around but only as much as is necessary (although there is no resistance). No longer any shoulder turn action for instance, now the right arm pulls the inert left via extensor action which pulls the left shoulder around. The right hip pulls the left hip around which pulls the left leg over accordingly. Etc

There is a separation between upper and lower body directionally too. The right hip goes back while the hands or right forearm goes up. The relative amounts of pivot going back and hands going up determining the plane angle. Divergent vectors?

This is where Im at now anyways. But tomorrow is another day after all.

Yoda is this the sort of thing you are looking for?

ob

Yoda what is the best way to clear the right hip on the backswing? fast arms can sometime cause a problem ...would you look at left knee action as initiating or getting mid torso moving a little before arms initiate ...so as to match arm and pivot motions

Nice to see some real input rather than the other endless miniscule details:salut:

Tracing the plane line with the right index finger using the RFT.

Thanks mb. This is something I struggle with.

Hey this thread is working already! How do you trace given the parallax? Edz said something about "covering the foot line", I think, may have it wrong.

ob

up not back
 

Jeff and Ted really helped me with an on-plane takeaway at Cuscowilla. Hard to believe how 'up' it is. I feel like I'm picking the club almost straight up in front of me while I pivot back.

Ask a silly question because someone else may be wondering the same thing!
 

Ok, don't shoot me for my ignorance.

Can someone please explain exactly what is meant by 'tracing' in the phrase, "tracing the plane line with the right index finger"?

Oh that old trick. Bet your wallet was missing after that operation. I used to get my wife to bend over to pick things up all the time too, but that was for other reasons.

But seriously now folks. It is a weird revelation, eh Bambam? Here is a little demonstration for the forum. Take a golf like stance. No club. Put your left hand in your pocket (over your wallet if you are at the Swamp). Hold your shoulders level to the target line, dont move em and take your bent right wrist to your top position opposite the right shoulder. Now turn your shoulders and watch the hands go way back.

To arrive at your selected correct top position when doing this drill, you need to first take your right hand "up" and "back" but hardly "in" at all, prior to the shoulders turning and taking the hands back.

Conclusion: the pivot provides the "in" of the three dimensional takeaway. Backwards, up and in. This to me is what the "marching time" McDonald drill is all about. The separation of the upper and lower bodies direction of movement. The are co ordinated, but aligned in different directions that net out on the inclined plane.

Yoda can advise on how to make this all automatic, hands to pivot, educated hands controlling the pivot etc. Im still thinking about it all personally. My hands still in school and all.

Caveat emptor and out.
ob

Get “rope swinging” feeling at address with waggle. Be conscious of PP#2.

Nice gentle extensor action in backswing to prevent overswinging combined with nice full shoulder turn. This action should get a nice left wrist cock.

How do I start the club back?

I set up (in impact fix) and then take my bent right wrist to the top with extensor action.

If I do this correctly everything else should fall into place.