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Yoda 01-27-2009 11:56 PM

What Is Important In the Downstroke and How Do I Stay Conscious?
 
Please tell us!

What is your focus?

How do you avoid 'Blackout'?

How conscious should you be?

How conscious must you be?

Seanmx 01-28-2009 12:03 PM

Just one thing
 
Usually I can concentrate on one thing only on my downswing : If I can pick a good though for this one thing I play well

GPStyles 01-28-2009 01:34 PM

I don't want blackout but I also do not want to be 'thinking'. Its why I use a clear key and just let my subconscious take care of everything.

spike 01-30-2009 10:28 PM

Blackout
 
In my experience downswing blackout is the loss of clubhead awareness. Or better described as loss of lag pressure which is felt in the pressure points of the hands.

Another way of looking at it is when the clubhead is not moving away from your head.

Once you sense that the clubhead is beginning to move toward you our defence mechanism kicks in and we try to get out of the way.

Some of our friends see this and tell us to keep our head down when really we should be making our clubhead go down and stay down.

mho

Thom 01-31-2009 06:22 AM

favourite quote
 
"Eyes on the ball, mind in the hands"

The better I live up to the quote, the better I'm playing. But for most of us (I guess), a lot of other thoughts seems to creep in.

I tend to get clubface oriented, and among other things clubhead throw-away is the result.

Looking straight down with my left eye at a dimple on the inside aft of the ball, seems to help with keeping the head still, turning, not sliding and returning the clubhead more precise. The more precise you're focusing on a certain spot on the ball, the less the tendency to downswing black-out. IMO..

yodeli 02-08-2009 04:24 PM

Lag and directing the thrust
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spike (Post 60916)
In my experience downswing blackout is the loss of clubhead awareness. Or better described as loss of lag pressure which is felt in the pressure points of the hands.

Agreed, lag is the glue that ties everything.
Lag is easilly felt through PPT#3 and I also closely monitor it tracing the base of the plane line to ensure I direct my thrust on the right track.

It keeps me focused on REPRODUCING the FEEL, shot after shot, rather than thinking about my technique.

Sometimes I also end up replacing tracing by the aiming point technique if I need to alter the ball's flight.

So, it is: "Mind in the hands" where Lag is felt and direct hands/lag along the right path.

david sandridge 02-08-2009 04:55 PM

Concentration
 
Ben Doyle defined concentration as a "punch press" I know he likes to practice chip, pitch, punch and then full swing. I felt he liked you to do this drill putting the punch in because it is so focused on impact and requires concentration. Are there any other Doyle folks who would care to comment on what Ben meant.

O.B.Left 02-08-2009 05:26 PM

1-L-10 and 11. 2nd Imperative
 
Yodeli ,Spike. These are great points. Focus is pressure point awareness, then. Maybe.

Force is applied to the ball through the Lever Assemblies. Power is applied to the Lever Assembly through the pressure points. Pressure points 1,2,3 are on the aft of the grip. Its these pressure points that we swing on plane and towards the plane line. Mind in the hands is really mind on the pressure points.

Clubhead control is lag pressure point control. Clubhead force is proportional to speed, mass and the width of the swing radius. A sudden slackening in the radius will lessen the force and deaden the pressure points. Extensor action is a substitute for arm acceleration.

Do I sound like a robot/super computer?

johngolf33 02-08-2009 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by david sandridge (Post 61192)
Ben Doyle defined concentration as a "punch press" I know he likes to practice chip, pitch, punch and then full swing. I felt he liked you to do this drill putting the punch in because it is so focused on impact and requires concentration. Are there any other Doyle folks who would care to comment on what Ben meant.

Hi David,

Ben always teaches chip, pitch, punch then full swing as a means of educating the hands and rehearsing your Basic Motion. The punch is a Hitting stroke just so you can have it in your arsenal. Ben teaches a pivot powered hand controlled Swing.

yodeli 02-08-2009 06:53 PM

Iron Byron
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 61193)
Do I sound like a robot/super computer?

Pure Iron Byron style: I love your rough'n rude talks! :thumleft: :laughing9 !


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