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Originally Posted by MizunoJoe

Ball forward for draws, back for fades in Swinging. For Hitting, forward for fades, for R-L, the Hitters here say close the stance and pull hook it.

Yes, but...

Aren't manipulated hands swingers bound by the ball position laws of Hitters? And aren't the vast majority of Swingers the manipulated hands variety?

As Yoda wrote :

"Hitters and Manipulated Hands Swingers play the Ball back (of Straightaway Flight Location) for Draws and forward for Fades. With the Left Wrist positioned Flat, Level and Vertical, the Club is rotated within the Grip -- Closed for Draws and Opened for Fades -- to agree with the new Ball Location. A Ball placed back in the Stance will Draw because the Clubface makes contact with the Outside Aft quadrant of the Ball. A Ball placed forward in the Stance will Fade because the Clubface makes contact with the Inside Aft Quadrant. "


I am a hands manipulated swinger and have to terms with it.