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I can barely see the grip cap if at all at address, but I'm curious as to why you ask. Also, I am at adjusted address, and left wrist is usually pretty vertical, not turned. I think the size and shape of my hand has something to do with that illusion. I do hit, and I know that most hitters use a fix address with their right forearm on plane to help maintain the RFFW, but I am much more comfortable with the classic address. I experimented with both when I started hitting and I have had much better luck with the classic address. The very first move back in my motion is me setting my right forearm on plane, which I do pretty consistently. After reading your first comments I went back and watched both videos and I think I make a pretty big sway towards the target with my irons, but not nearly as much of one with my driver. Which may explain why I do take deep divots pretty frequently like you guessed. Let's see if we can't lick these faults. I'm all in with ya' to fix this stuff.
R
Ok boss . . . The reason I asked is this . . . I want you to take the same grip you take everday . . . look down . . . what is keeping you from seeing the grip cap? Look at address and fix? In my case it is my left forearm/wrist which means . . . your wrist ain't vertical at Fix. So try this . . . get your left hand on the club so you can see the cap at fix . . . that should be vertical.
Now you don't have to change your grip if it is turned to the plane but you do need to understand how to release it properly.
If you are turned and you want to stay that way . . . read this thread . . . particularly the quotes from Yoda about hammering the wall.
Okay 12 Piece, now that I understand completely what you mean and I have been to the driving range, I have to change my answer. The heel pad on my hand usually blocks my view of the grip cap. When taking my normal grip I can see probably over 3/4ths of the grip cap at classic address and pretty much all of it at impact fix. Also, thanks Surf! At the range I hit almost every ball with an open stance. I laid down a club pointing at the target, then took my stance open relative to the club. After experimenting just a little with ball position I was hitting the ball more solid, straighter, and definitely higher with my 7 iron (a little higher with driver). Hey Bucket, what do you think of the open stance thing? Seems to me if Ted and Lynn had Surf do it, it might not be a bad thing.
Holla
Just remembered, my divots shallowed out quite a bit. Very nice to see. Any chance you have video of your swing I could see?
Okay 12 Piece, now that I understand completely what you mean and I have been to the driving range, I have to change my answer. The heel pad on my hand usually blocks my view of the grip cap. When taking my normal grip I can see probably over 3/4ths of the grip cap at classic address and pretty much all of it at impact fix. Also, thanks Surf! At the range I hit almost every ball with an open stance. I laid down a club pointing at the target, then took my stance open relative to the club. After experimenting just a little with ball position I was hitting the ball more solid, straighter, and definitely higher with my 7 iron (a little higher with driver). Hey Bucket, what do think of the open stance thing? Seems to me if Ted and Lynn had Surf do it, it might not be a bad thing.
Holla
Just remembered, my divots shallowed out quite a bit. Very nice to see. Any chance you have video of your swing I could see?
Remember per 2-J-2 . . . "Don’t hesitate to change your Stance Line – for physical and psychological reasons or for the situation at hand. Stance Line does not affect the Plane or Target Line. Just use the corresponding Pivot per 10-12 and don’t be misled by the apparent results – your “Down-the-Target-Line Impact” could be just a well executed Push Shot. Even from an ASSUMED Square-Square position. And your apparently Outside-In Impacts may actually be fine Pull Shots. Study 2-L.
The Plane Line is the BOSSMAN . . . and he don't care about your feet. I like the open stance. If you hit what are you going to do though? Are you using the Geometric Plane Line and tracing it? Or are you going to use the 10-5-E Visual Equivalent Plane Line Cross-Line to Right Field?
There are PLENTY of the dudes that make enough money to buy and sell me and you and Mike O that play from an Open Stance. So smoke 'em if you got 'em my friend. My favorite of all time Lee Buck does it . . . so make it happen Capt'n.
I'm not smart enough to figure out how to get video of my flickdid move out here. I have an 8mm video camera. I can mail you a tape though.
How big a boy are you? What's your handicap? Do you hit the short irons better than the long irons? Can you hit the driver straight? I was just wondering cause we may have been separated at birf. I of course being much much prettier'n you.
Remember per 2-J-2 . . . "Don’t hesitate to change your Stance Line – for physical and psychological reasons or for the situation at hand. Stance Line does not affect the Plane or Target Line. Just use the corresponding Pivot per 10-12 and don’t be misled by the apparent results – your “Down-the-Target-Line Impact” could be just a well executed Push Shot. Even from an ASSUMED Square-Square position. And your apparently Outside-In Impacts may actually be fine Pull Shots. Study 2-L.
The Plane Line is the BOSSMAN . . . and he don't care about your feet. I like the open stance. If you hit what are you going to do though? Are you using the Geometric Plane Line and tracing it? Or are you going to use the 10-5-E Visual Equivalent Plane Line Cross-Line to Right Field?
There are PLENTY of the dudes that make enough money to buy and sell me and you and Mike O that play from an Open Stance. So smoke 'em if you got 'em my friend. My favorite of all time Lee Buck does it . . . so make it happen Capt'n.
I'm not smart enough to figure out how to get video of my flickdid move out here. I have an 8mm video camera. I can mail you a tape though.
How big a boy are you? What's your handicap? Do you hit the short irons better than the long irons? Can you hit the driver straight? I was just wondering cause we may have been separated at birf. I of course being much much prettier'n you.
Not really sure how to differentiate between using the true geometric and the 10-5-E cross line. I just know that using an open stance felt great and worked great.
If you wanna mail me a tape I'd be happy to look at it, and I might be able to get it posted for you. Not sure, though.
I'm about 5' 11" and 200 lbs, pretty solid. Played linebacker and left tackle way back in high school. 'Bout a 10 hcp mainly due to not hitting any of my irons extremely well. Little better with my short irons, though. I do drive the ball pretty well. Usually straight, not much fade or draw, and almost always 280-310. And about the prettier part, the ladies luv the Mr. Clean look.
Not really sure how to differentiate between using the true geometric and the 10-5-E cross line. I just know that using an open stance felt great and worked great.
If you wanna mail me a tape I'd be happy to look at it, and I might be able to get it posted for you. Not sure, though.
I'm about 5' 11" and 200 lbs, pretty solid. Played linebacker and left tackle way back in high school. 'Bout a 10 hcp mainly due to not hitting any of my irons extremely well. Little better with my short irons, though. I do drive the ball pretty well. Usually straight, not much fade or draw, and almost always 280-310. And about the prettier part, the ladies luv the Mr. Clean look.
How 'bout you? Build, hcp, drives, irons, etc?
R
We'll skip the 10-5-E stuff for now . . . it's a little tweeky. I'm 5'9" 2-bills but I am weakling. I hit the short irons good, mid irons good, long irons weak, and driver is streaky. I'm an 8. I could get to 280 or 310 pretty easy if I hit the China Buffet 3 or 4 times a week . . .oh you were talking about hitting drives . . . my bad.
Video your swang from the open stance and see what that does to the forward sway deal? We need Axis Tilt.
I suspect in both of your cases the open stance is a compensation for a 'snare' (head motion), brought about due to a faulty pivot (pivot controlled vs hands control). The 10-2-D grip, combined with the open stance line, are reasonable ways to address this - but always keep in mind that the plane line tends to follow the shoulders - and play a fade.
Some daily eyes closed practice swinging a heavy club and holding your finish will help you with the 'snare' (3-F-7D - no teetering) - feet together at first. Also, I would suggest you try not using right anchor, which should help improve Rhythm. In your case(s), what 'feels' like a pause at the top will help you get to a slow start down and help you keep in balance.
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Would HITting golf balls with the feet together be a good idea? It would seem to be a good idea if developing a top of the head swing center is the goal.
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