I interpret nmgolfer's post as indicating that golfer C would not generate a significantly greater ball velocity than golfer A, and that golfer C's clubhead will not slow significantly less than golfer A's clubhead as a result of ball collision.
What about golfer B compared to golfer A? What does HK mean when he envisages a swing radius extending from the feet to the clubhead, and what effect does this "mental construct" have on ball velocity and clubhead slowing as a result of ball collision?
Jeff.
That quote is about pivot lag not really about the release sequence or power accumulators . . . . each pivot segment lagging and getting in line. I'm quite sure that Mandrin is aware of "snapping the chain" or whatever they call that deal. I think that's what Homer was on to there. Again . . . . the longest hitters tend to have spines that are very extended.
Swinging from the feet and pivot lag is what he's talking about there.
6-M-1 DOWNSTROKE SEQUENCE The Downstroke sequence of the Stroke Components is dictated essentially by Centrifugal Force; acceleration of a lagging Componet will cease at the instant it achieves an “In-Line” position with its immediately preceding Component.
Centers and Accumulators can be sequenced, overlapped, omitted, emphasized, triggered, and timed as the players understanding and skill permit. But the Club’s Swing Radius (6-B-0) ends at the “non-lagging” Component nearest to the Clubhead. The “Centers” of the Stroke start with the Feet or the employeed Component nearest to the feet in the following order: Knees, Hips, Shoulders, arms, Right Elbow, Left Wristcock and/or Left Hand Rotation. For maximum Power, the position of must be taken with that will allow Delay of the Release until all Components, except the Right Foot and Right Shoulder, have reached, or passed the Line-of-Site-to-the-Ball per 6-B-1-C. Then the Accumulators must move very rapidly toward their “In-Line” Position. But none should actually arrive (lose all their Lag and Drag until well after Impact. Also see 6-H-0.
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I can readily accept the idea that there must be lag in the entire system and that an inline condition (where lag is lost) should only occur post-impact. That applies to golfer A as it applies to golfer B. Therefore, I cannot understand any claim that "the clubhead is harder to decelerate during impact" only applies to golfer B (and not golfer A) considering the fact that under standard conditions there is always a flat left wrist and clubhead lag at impact.
Also, how does clubhead lag at impact make the clubhead harder to decelerate during impact if clubhead speed is 100mph at the exact moment of first ball contact?
Also, how does clubhead lag at impact make the clubhead harder to decelerate during impact if clubhead speed is 100mph at the exact moment of first ball contact?
Jeff.
I thought we'd eventually debate the flat left wrist and now here we are, at the beginning.
Jeff this process could take a while. It took Homer 40 years to write the book and we're moving even slower.
Also, how does clubhead lag at impact make the clubhead harder to decelerate during impact if clubhead speed is 100mph at the exact moment of first ball contact?
Jeff.
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__________________ Yani Tseng, Go! Go! Go! Yani Tseng Did It Again! YOU load and sustain the "LAG", during which the "LAW" releases it, ideally beyond impact.
"Sustain (Yang/陽) the lag (Yin/陰)" is "the unification of Ying and Yang" (陰陽合一).
The "LAW" creates the "effect", which is the "motion" or "feel", with the "cause", which is the "intent" or "command".
"Lag" is the secret of golf, passion is the secret of life.
Think as a golfer, execute like a robot.
Rotate, twist, spin, turn. Bend the shaft.
12PB - Left arm swinging is a non-pivot-driven swing where the left arm is pulled away from the chest wall, and not blasted off the chest wall - as taught by proponents like Leslie King.
if you got lag, then you have maybe still a chance to have a "loaded" shaft helping in resisting the additionnal deceleration caused by impact of ball. Wouldnt the delofting caused by lag cause a more massive punch through the ball as more of the face is contacting the ball rather then hitting and skidding off the upper face of the club without lag?
just off the top of my head here with my comments so be gentle...lol
12PB - Left arm swinging is a non-pivot-driven swing where the left arm is pulled away from the chest wall, and not blasted off the chest wall - as taught by proponents like Leslie King.
You wrote-: "a "loaded" shaft helping in resisting the additionnal deceleration caused by impact of ball."
It is my opinion that a "loaded shaft" has no effect on the magnitude of clubhead deceleration due to ball collision. See nm golfers' post.
I agree that forward shaft lean at impact delofts the club. However, in my question - I stated that one should presume that clubhead speed, clubhead mass, and clubface conditions at impact should be the same for the three golfers. That would allow one to determine whether "clubhead lag" alone would affect the clubhead's magnitude of deceleration due to ball collision. I know of no reason why it should have any effect - compared to a clubhead that impacts the ball without lag.
I think that "blast off" is Homer Kelley's wording. I simply think of the left arm moving away from the chest wall when the upper torso rotation slows in the mid-downswing. The rate of angular acceleration of the free-wheeling left arm remains the same, but its angular speed increases as it freewheels towards impact - because there is no impedance to the release of PA#4 and the freewheeling forward movement of the left arm.
This graph shows that the slope of the left arm graph doesn't increase when the shoulder rotation slows. However, angular speed increases.
You wrote-: "a "loaded" shaft helping in resisting the additionnal deceleration caused by impact of ball."
It is my opinion that a "loaded shaft" has no effect on the magnitude of clubhead deceleration due to ball collision. See nm golfers' post.
I agree that forward shaft lean at impact delofts the club. However, in my question - I stated that one should presume that clubhead speed, clubhead mass, and clubface conditions at impact should be the same for the three golfers. That would allow one to determine whether "clubhead lag" alone would affect the clubhead's magnitude of deceleration due to ball collision. I know of no reason why it should have any effect - compared to a clubhead that impacts the ball without lag.
Jeff.
how can you have the exact same condition of clubface with and without lag?
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