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Old 03-10-2011, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by gmbtempe View Post
Yea, off plane, right shoulder and hands are on the TSP at top but then go under both the TSP and Elbow plane. Great fix for the slice until it turns into a hook.

Its a poor Zone 1 issue, then throw in a poor right shoulder motion. I have found though the better the right shoulder works (on plane) the less a Zone 1 issue is created. When I miss around with Rotated Shoulder turn it seems to create a better alignment with the shoulders on the downswing.........but it feels like crap to me, less powerful as well.
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Reminds me of a comment from YODA. Rotated Shoulder Turn is great, as long as you always play down wind.

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Old 03-10-2011, 11:39 AM
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The difference in Right Forearm alignments at the delivery position are pretty drastic in those pictures. I always thought the ideal was Lovemark because its pointing at the ball and not coming in "too high"....I think reading this my understanding is wrong....is it just a matter of being on plane at impact?

I agree with Bucket on the right shoulder on the downswing, going back to his epic thread a few months ago.
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Old 03-10-2011, 03:36 PM
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The difference in Right Forearm alignments at the delivery position are pretty drastic in those pictures. I always thought the ideal was Lovemark because its pointing at the ball and not coming in "too high"....I think reading this my understanding is wrong....is it just a matter of being on plane at impact?

I agree with Bucket on the right shoulder on the downswing, going back to his epic thread a few months ago.
HK said that the TSP offers more Right Shoulder support than the Elbow Plane.

How does that happen? Well, it's an Alignment.

If you stand behind the Golfer (during Impact) and look down his Right Shoulder, down the Angle of Approach of his Right Forearm, are the #3 PP, Elbow and Right Shoulder in Alignment to the Angle of Approach. It doesn't mean that the Right Shoulder stays On-Plane all the way until Impact or how high or low the Right Forearm. And, you can't measure that from drawn lines of a down the line view as in the photos of these two golfers.

To see if you're getting Right Shoulder support, tie a string from your Right Shoulder to your #3 PP, and imagine a vertical plane of the string. Then at Impact, is your Elbow aligned/touching that String Plane?
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Old 03-10-2011, 04:09 PM
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HK said that the TSP offers more Right Shoulder support than the Elbow Plane.

How does that happen? Well, it's an Alignment.

If you stand behind the Golfer (during Impact) and look down his Right Shoulder, down the Angle of Approach of his Right Forearm, are the #3 PP, Elbow and Right Shoulder in Alignment to the Angle of Approach. It doesn't mean that the Right Shoulder stays On-Plane all the way until Impact or how high or low the Right Forearm. And, you can't measure that from drawn lines of a down the line view as in the photos of these two golfers.

To see if you're getting Right Shoulder support, tie a string from your Right Shoulder to your #3 PP, and imagine a vertical plane of the string. Then at Impact, is your Elbow aligned/touching that String Plane?
Shoulder position? TSP at Top- Pitch elbow vs. punch elbow. See the two sequences above . See the different alignments. Required alignments ? Because of elbow pitch vs. punch?

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Old 03-10-2011, 04:30 PM
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Hitters Angled Hinging invariably/automatically aligns the Right Shoulder for Impact Support. Swingers don't. 99% of Golfers are Swingers.
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Old 03-10-2011, 05:59 PM
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Then there are goofy foot golfers!!
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Hitters Angled Hinging invariably/automatically aligns the Right Shoulder for Impact Support. Swingers don't. 99% of Golfers are Swingers.
Like to see a survey- I think it would be interesting.

% who think they are swingers.
% that are swingers.
% of "swingers" that use a Pitch elbow.
% That just think they use a pitch elbow.
% that start at adfjusted address.
% that start a FIX or otherwise
% that don't shift plane.
% that think they don't shift plane.

Golly! this could go on forever.
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Old 03-11-2011, 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Daryl View Post
HK said that the TSP offers more Right Shoulder support than the Elbow Plane.

How does that happen? Well, it's an Alignment.

If you stand behind the Golfer (during Impact) and look down his Right Shoulder, down the Angle of Approach of his Right Forearm, are the #3 PP, Elbow and Right Shoulder in Alignment to the Angle of Approach. It doesn't mean that the Right Shoulder stays On-Plane all the way until Impact or how high or low the Right Forearm. And, you can't measure that from drawn lines of a down the line view as in the photos of these two golfers.

To see if you're getting Right Shoulder support, tie a string from your Right Shoulder to your #3 PP, and imagine a vertical plane of the string. Then at Impact, is your Elbow aligned/touching that String Plane?
Daryl . . . . you don't think that the hands and club are being supported by the shoulder motion in this swing? I see the right arm being supported by the ENTIRE TORSO? Right shoulder seems to be pressuring the entire left arm and right forearm?



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Old 03-11-2011, 01:33 AM
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Daryl . . . . you don't think that the hands and club are being supported by the shoulder motion in this swing? I see the right arm being supported by the ENTIRE TORSO? Right shoulder seems to be pressuring the entire left arm and right forearm?



Let me put it this way: That guy wouldn't know a right arm if it wasn't attached to his body...

I see a ton of muscle flex in his left forearm but none-zero-zip from his right arm.

The Alignments are there. Great Horizontal Hinge with Right Arm Alignment support. He's a great player but his right arm has atrophied and it's barely strong enough to hold a soup spoon.

I don't know. Someone needs to give him a call and ask if he Drives his Right Forearm into Impact.
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Old 03-11-2011, 09:30 AM
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Perhaps he is using all left arm to throw like a side arm frisbee throw with little right arm participation. I can recall someone's review paper about right arm vs left arm centrifugal force use .
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Old 03-11-2011, 09:32 AM
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OK bucket find a pic of an atrophied left arm and taut muscles in right arm perhaps performing a right arm underhanded throw with and inert left arm which is only a rope.
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