Thank you very much for your thoughts and insite.
You must have spent considerable time working on
the reply. I certainly agree with what you said.
You put things in prospective. I see a lot of drills
that seem to be passed on from teacher to teacher that
seem to address the current fad for what is hot at the
time. I have currently seen three instructors using it.
One particular student is using the drill to try and
correct the flaw on hitting on the toe of the clubface.
The student uses a shoulder takeaway, and more of a
rotated shoulder turn. The guy hits the ball over 300
yards even with toe hits, but is a mess at the top.
He regularly shoots in the 60s and has won three mini
tour events, but wants to cure the toe shots. I personnaly
think that the drill is hurting him, but he has a lot of
faith in the instructor who teaches what is hot on tour?
Thank again for your response. Donn
That man you mention can play, no doubt about it. Hands to Pivot isnt the only way. I personally believe its the best way but without doubt there are guys on tour , lots of them in fact, who are PIvot to Hands. Like the knee drive of the 70's its not enough to preclude excellence but .....its not necessary or I believe advisable. Id say it has to be compensated for actually.
Homer was largely misunderstood on the Hands to Pivot concept.
I know, what else is new?
P.S. JerryG doesnt misspelling have three s's? Not sur. Thanks bro.
P.S. JerryG doesnt misspelling have three s's? Not sur. Thanks bro.
Sorry O.B. I must have been thinking of my 3rd grade teacher, Miss Pelling.[/quote]
Da Utes of Amerika are endangered!
Seriously, though, OB and Gerry's comments have become very important for me after having Lynn demonstrate the concepts and I am hitting the ball much more consistently.
Hula Left gets the back Shoulder and Hip well back. Mid body Hands and proper grip. Slight Impact Fix determined only by the Hula left. RFT keeping elbow close and elbow leading down on plane and then I Drag or Drive the Elbow. Lynn's putting lessons also helped me to 12 over 83 including one birdie.
I won some dollars for the new " LBG Fun and Frolic Fund!" Woo hooo!
IC T
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
Ice T, that sounds to me like you are closing in on the Throws......which is the opposite of "Downswing Blackout" ......... Not trying to go Carlos Castaneda on you or anything...but consciousness or intention is the opposite of blackout. You are closing in I think on how the ball is hit by the club. The forces in play. Which is what its all about.......for everyone.
Ice T, that sounds to me like you are closing in on the Throws......which is the opposite of "Downswing Blackout" ......... Not trying to go Carlos Castaneda on you or anything...but consciousness or intention is the opposite of blackout. You are closing in I think on how the ball is hit by the club. The forces in play. Which is what its all about.......for everyone.
I forgot to mention the Right Thumb's "off the handle v to the shoulder position." CC loved 'shrooms but that Right Thumb allows the PP # 3 to crush the Base Line of the Plane and the ball sitting on it!
Ic T
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
I forgot to mention the Right Thumb's "off the handle v to the shoulder position." CC loved 'shrooms but that Right Thumb allows the PP # 3 to crush the Base Line of the Plane and the ball sitting on it!
Ic T
Yes the #3pp , the entire Right Foream Flying Wedge (which near Impact has rotated onto the Inclined Plane too) and for some the Right Shoulder crush the Aiming Point which in on the Arc of Approach.
Relevant to this discussion, the glossary's definition of the Pivot.....(its role for the TGM golfer given independent arm and pivot motion)
Quote:
PIVOT Example -revolving door.
Mechanical -That motion of the body moving around a center point.
Golf- A multiple universal-joint assembly between the Stationary Head and the Stationary Feet holding the Clubshaft "On Plane" by positioning and adjusting the Lever Assembly , through the #3 Accumulator , as directed by the Right Forearm.
Homer said " Stationary Head" but I believe it could read "Stationary PIvot Center" which gives you options other than the head literally speaking. I love the way this definition establishes a hierarchy between Pivot and Right Forearm. Homer said we'd all feel like we were tossing a ball. Dont get me wrong the Pivot is important, it is Zone 1 after all. But the pitcher on the mound is not rifling a fast ball with his pivot alone. He probably isnt thinking about his pivot, after training. YOu dont say "what a pivot on that guy", you say "what an arm on that son of a..." etc.
This means that (with the exception of Startdown) the Shoulders can travel in a different direction than the Hands. Which sounds complicated, but we do it all the time , all day long. We are "wired" to do so. Putting your thoughts on your Pivot messes things up (although its necessary when specifically training your pivot). All you need to do is to take your bent right hand to right shoulder high.........like you were reaching for something. If you can establish a TSP at Top then you wont need to re arrange things (shift planes) so the Pivot (the Right Shoulder) can pull the Hands downplane in Startdown with the #4 still fully loaded......delayed Release, Delivery of the Power Package to its Release Point. Its this last point that everyone tries to manage I think. But I believe you can do it effectively , easily without a significant Plane Shift or an uncomfortably high Shoulder Turn. Without strapping your arms to your chest. Homer's Standard Shoulder Turn seems odd at first but its brilliant. With independent arm and pivot motion ,your arms can flow freely from the body , freewheeling AND Aligned even when the Body is pulling them down in Startdown (given a TSP). Even if you are non Auto Release Throw and Hand manipulating etc. Im not just talking passive wrists , fully auto, Swinging here. The baseball pitchers right arm is thrown and his hand manipulation creates the curve ......... His pivot accelerates his arm and then his arm accelerates even more away from his body.
I forgot to mention the Right Thumb's "off the handle v to the shoulder position." CC loved 'shrooms but that Right Thumb allows the PP # 3 to crush the Base Line of the Plane and the ball sitting on it!
Ic T
Is that Right Thumb position similar to the one Martin Hall discussed on his Grip episode of School of Golf? He took a sharpie and marked just a sliver of the Right Thumb just underneath the right side of the nail. If memory serves, he was referencing Steve Elkington and how much of the thumb he had on the club in his grip. I know that for me, the less of that thumb I feel on the club, the more connected my grip feels.
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