I came across this clip of Ted Kroll(a player from the 40's I believe)and I was particularly impressed with his hand action...just a great swing...hope you enjoy. http://www.megspace.com/sports/moeto...roll_clip.html
I came across this clip of Ted Kroll(a player from the 40's I believe)and I was particularly impressed with his hand action...just a great swing...hope you enjoy. http://www.megspace.com/sports/moeto...roll_clip.html
Awesome!!! That is one beautiful motion. Just looking at that for about an hour should do something good for your motion. Thanks dude! Very nice contribution on your first post.
played golf yesterday with Yodasluke and Bagger Lance, your ears must've been burning, they had great things to say about you...my dad(known here as Augusta Brad) and I had a half day lesson with the YODA himself this past Saturday and we have caught the fever!!! We were in a small 3 sided tin hut - pouring down rain, about 29 degrees outside and life could not have been better. Bar none, the best golf lesson, ever! Can't wait to keep on truckin...
played golf yesterday with Yodasluke and Bagger Lance, your ears must've been burning, they had great things to say about you...my dad(known here as Augusta Brad) and I had a half day lesson with the YODA himself this past Saturday and we have caught the fever!!! We were in a small 3 sided tin hut - pouring down rain, about 29 degrees outside and life could not have been better. Bar none, the best golf lesson, ever! Can't wait to keep on truckin...
You keep good company man. I ate mexican at my favorite spot yesterday . . . ears weren't the only thing burning.
My father and I argue about how the old players wouldn't make the cut in the modern game. I agree with Jack; the modern game is a game of power. The short ball players only shine like twice a year on short courses with tight fairways. The majority of golf fans do not want shorter courses, tighter fairways, distance resistant balls, or any other restrictions on length. We love watching the best players bomb it long, and flop it onto the greens. In this new era, golf can -almost- be described as a sport.
I don't have a problem with how far the guys now can hit the ball, but I do think the penalty for not hitting the fairway should be much more severe then it is now. I think that something is wrong with the course setups when Tiger can be #179 in fairways hit and #1 in greens in regulation. Sometimes he hits it so far offline that he gets in the rough that has been walked down and ends up with an easier shot than the guys that just miss the fairway by a yard or two. I don't have anything against Tiger, in fact I think he is the best player in the game today. But if more of a premium were put on hitting the fairways and less advantage were given to strength he might not be so dominant. I don't mean to rant but just had to get that off of my chest.
This is my 9th year on tour as a caddy. Started with John Riegger and now with Brian Gay, both Yoda students. I would have to agree with most of what Nicklaus was quoted as saying. The tour doesn't play very many "Old School" courses anymore. I think Nicklaus and Snead would still be great players today because of their length. Hogan and Player would not be as dominant, but it all depends on the course. I'd say Hogan would beat Tiger 4 out of 5 times at Harbor Town or Westchester, but Tiger would beat Hogan 5 out of 5 at Boston or Torre Pines. The course set up has dictated the way the game is played today. A player who can carry the ball 280 or more can take most of the trouble out of play and hit short irons if he is in the rough. Pretty standard set up each week, water the fairways and don't water the greens. Hey, people come to see the long ball, lets face it. It doesn't seem to take much brains to be a tour official. It's like I always joke, "I tried to become a tour official, but scored too high on the test, so I became a caddy." Thanks Yoda for helping my player, he's on the right track.
This is my 9th year on tour as a caddy. Started with John Riegger and now with Brian Gay, both Yoda students.
Thanks Yoda for helping my player, he's on the right track.
Welcome aboard, Eddie, and thanks for this first post. Keep'em coming!
Brian and I talked by phone Monday night -- he just in from the Honda and me just in from Sweden -- and he mentioned how well you guys work together. I look forward to meeting you when the PGA TOUR hits Atlanta at the end of the month.
Meanwhile, looks like you go at noon tomorrrow at Bay Hill. That sure beats the 6:45 a.m. first-off at Doral. Good luck!
Tiger's strongest asset is his short game. If I could choose one aspect of his physical game, it would not be his driving or long iron play, it would be his saving/short game.
And Hogan regularly drove the ball over 270 yards in his prime with no ProV1's and persimmon driver, etc.
What I think gets lost in all this current day distance discussion is that while people hit it further they do so without any real increase in swing speed. I saw a TGC show in the mid/late 90's that was discussing John Daly... they measured his swing speed at 141 at the time. Jack Nicklaus said "that is similar to mine when I was younger" he said he was around 140 if he swung full out. I have a tape at home of the McLean analysis of Hogan (pre TGM days) and in it McLean says Hogan's swing was measured using the video frames and estimated to be around 136. What was Snead... certainly at least that. Jack, Sam and Ben were using 43 inch drivers with steel shafts. I find it hard to believe that with today's equipment and balls they wouldn't be as long as today's longer players.
I believe Gary Players comment is very interesting. What would happen if the current crop of players had to work the ball. I'm guessing the answer would be the best would adapt and some of the others would be working at shoetown....but I think it is naive to assume that the distance achieved today comes from something physical that was lacking in players from previous years. I'm 59 and I hit it as far as I did when I was 20 fercryinoutloud.....because the ball and the clubs I use are very different then the stuff I had when I was 20.
Personally, I think the game was different when I was younger..not better, not worse ... just different. But the great players... whether it be Alan Robertson, young Tom, Vardon, Walter H, Bobby Jones, Sarazen,Hogan, Nelson, Snead, Jack, Arnie, Player, Trevino,Watson, or Woods... would be great players if they were playing with rocks and sticks. They'd just figure out a way to beat you, even if the game is different.
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