4-C-2 and 4-C-3 is the action of the wrists which occurs during the swing and especially at the release of power accumulators #3 and #4. Power accumulator#4 is the master accumulator that in itself can be considered the power drive of the body pivot. That pivot controlled by the turn and roll of the wrist position.
My question had nothing to do with Hinge Action. Just your #4 in and of itself, and as it relates to the term "Swivel". Your #4 describes the Turning and Rolling Wrist Actions defined in 4-C-2 and 4-C-3. However, you say that this action is "Swivel Action". Your definition of "Swivel Action" is the same as Homer's definition of Turning and Rolling.
MJ,
A swivel IS a rotation. Hold your left hand out in front of you with your palm down. Roll it to palm up. This is a swivel. It is a rotation of the forarm, wrist, and hand. Hinge action is the hand staying VERTICAL to the plane it is hinging on. There is no rotation...the hand stays vertical.
4-C-2 and 4-C-3 is the action of the wrists which occurs during the swing and especially at the release of power accumulators #3 and #4. Power accumulator#4 is the master accumulator that in itself can be considered the power drive of the body pivot. That pivot controlled by the turn and roll of the wrist position.
Mike,
MJ is referring to Point #4 in my post above, not the #4 Power Accumulator. Here is a reprint of that point:
"4. This time, do not swing your arm back and forth. Instead, keep it still, and twist the forearm. First palm down. Then, palm up. This is a Swivel Action."
In his response to that post, MJ expressed his view of the Swivel:
"I thought #4 was Turning and Rolling, and that Swivel was the gradual, minimal turning and rolling effected by the orbiting arms."
The first part of his statement is true: Anytime the Wrist is Twisting from the Vertical -- Turned to the right or Rolled to the left -- it is Swiveling. Such is the case in the Swinger's Standard Wrist Action (10-18-A). Only when the Wrist is remaining Vertical to one of the Three Basic Planes of Motion -- Horizontal, Vertical or Angled -- is it Hinging. And while a Hinge Action can appear to be Turning and Rolling, the fact is that the Left Wrist is merely remaining Vertical. Therefore, there is no true rotation.
The second part of his statement is incorrect, and I believe it is a misinterpretation of Homer's description (in 2-G) of Single Wrist Action (10-18-C-1/2). Here Homer describes the Feel of Single Wrist Action "one long, slow 'Swivel' from Top to Finish" that occurs when Hinge Action is substituted for Wrist Action. In other words, it is a Hinge Action that is applied during the entire Downstroke instead of only during Impact to Follow-Through. And that Feels like a slow "Swivel." But it is not a Swivel, which is why Homer put the word in quotation marks in his description.
Hence, the pains I took in my prior post to differentiate the two.
My question had nothing to do with Hinge Action. Just your #4 in and of itself, and as it relates to the term "Swivel". Your #4 describes the Turning and Rolling Wrist Actions defined in 4-C-2 and 4-C-3. However, you say that this action is "Swivel Action". Your definition of "Swivel Action" is the same as Homer's definition of Turning and Rolling.
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And the problem is....?
No problem if that's what you are saying. But it seems to me that the Swivel is a Swivel whether you purposely do it, or it gets done by the orbiting of the tension free arms. It's still a Turning and Rolling, whether a deliberate action or a result of another action.
My question had nothing to do with Hinge Action. Just your #4 in and of itself, and as it relates to the term "Swivel". Your #4 describes the Turning and Rolling Wrist Actions defined in 4-C-2 and 4-C-3. However, you say that this action is "Swivel Action". Your definition of "Swivel Action" is the same as Homer's definition of Turning and Rolling.
MJ,
A swivel IS a rotation. Hold your left hand out in front of you with your palm down. Roll it to palm up. This is a swivel. It is a rotation of the forarm, wrist, and hand. Hinge action is the hand staying VERTICAL to the plane it is hinging on. There is no rotation...the hand stays vertical.
I fully understood from the beginning that Swivel is a rotation. My question was concerning the amount and whether it is a direct action or a result of orbiting arms.
Hinge Action is a CLUBFACE motion through the Impact Interval.
My question had nothing to do with Hinge Action. Just your #4 in and of itself, and as it relates to the term "Swivel". Your #4 describes the Turning and Rolling Wrist Actions defined in 4-C-2 and 4-C-3. However, you say that this action is "Swivel Action". Your definition of "Swivel Action" is the same as Homer's definition of Turning and Rolling.
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And the problem is....?
No problem if that's what you are saying. But it seems to me that the Swivel is a Swivel whether you purposely do it, or it gets done by the orbiting of the tension free arms. It's still a Turning and Rolling, whether a deliberate action or a result of another action.
As long as you understand the difference, that's the important thing. But please...
Tell me you understand that the 'Roll' of Horizontal Hinging -- with the Flat Left Wrist remaining perpendicular to the ground (horizontal plane) -- is not a Swivel.
"Tell me you understand that the 'Roll' of Horizontal Hinging -- with the Flat Left Wrist remaining perpendicular to the ground (horizontal plane) -- is not a Swivel. "
I understand that. And also from 2-G, "There is the "Release Roll" (Swivel) which is a true rotation of the Hands into Impact alignment by Accumulator #3 (with 10-18-A only)." And, after Separation, a Swivel may be used to Roll the hands into an On Plane Condition.
Tell me you understand that the 'Roll' of Horizontal Hinging -- with the Flat Left Wrist remaining perpendicular to the ground (horizontal plane) -- is not a Swivel.
I understand that. And also from 2-G, "There is the "Release Roll" (Swivel) which is a true rotation of the Hands into Impact alignment by Accumulator #3 (with 10-18-A only)." And, after Separation, a Swivel may be used to Roll the hands into an On Plane Condition.
"Tell me you understand that the 'Roll' of Horizontal Hinging -- with the Flat Left Wrist remaining perpendicular to the ground (horizontal plane) -- is not a Swivel. "
I understand that. And also from 2-G, "There is the "Release Roll" (Swivel) which is a true rotation of the Hands into Impact alignment by Accumulator #3 (with 10-18-A only)." And, after Separation, a Swivel may be used to Roll the hands into an On Plane Condition.
If Hinge Action Control is required only from Impact to the end of Follow-through (7-10), would that mean the finish swivel would occur at the end of Follow-through instead of just after seperation?
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