[Yoda]

With all due respect Lynn, you defend TGM based on science and then ignore it.

A rotational FORCE needs a stable CENTER.

I completely understand what the 'pivot train' is you/Homer describe but it
is not based on science of a rotational force needing a stable center, nor is
it allowing for the complex anatomy of the human body in generating said
force vectors of an object held in both hands.

If you insist on keeping your analysis strickly to the letter of TGM, than I
have to say I can only conclude that TGM is incorrect in this area. As much
as it appears to Homer that the left shoulder is the begining of the flail,
it simply can not be and be an effective, efficient rotational force because
it MOVES. The left shoulder is simply another hinge in the flail. A
perspective difference to be sure. As I said, one can argue the flail begins
in the RIGHT shoulder too, but neither of those cases account for the needed
stable center of an efficient rotational force. The only one that does is a
center point between the shoulders. This also explains hitting vs. swinging,
pull vs. push and many of the other 'do one or the other' parts of TGM. It
also explains why both arms straight is a KEY position, and Homer knew that.

If you look at almost any good swing, you can trace a circle of the hands,
around the center point I am talking about, base of the neck, between the
shoulders.

If the body is the 'pivot train' as you say, than how do you account for a
hitter's motion where the right arm thrust is the mechanism of thrust?


Lynn - if
my perspective makes no sense to you, I appologize for wasting your time, and
that of anyone else who feels I am incorrect. I'm not here to piss anyone
off, or to discredit anything, simply to learn and contribute to better
understanding.

Look, Ed, this is a free forum, and you are entitled to your opinions and
have every right discuss them. Likewise, other participants can choose
to agree with or debate those opinions. That's the whole purpose of this
forum and why it is so named.

My only 'problem' here is that you asked me to answer very specific, detailed
questions regarding the Flail -- which I did -- and then blindsided me with
your 'revelation in arrears' that my efforts were essentially for naught
because they were based on the 'wrong' Flail, i.e., the TGM Flail (and not
your own). Hence, the waste of time. Further, I was not given the opportunity
to choose whether or not I wanted to respond to your questions based
on your personal concept of the Flail. Which I don't. Nothing personal,
understand; it's just not why I'm here.

Anway, no big deal. You contribute a lot to this forum and others, and I
appreciate your efforts. We'll meet again and no doubt wrangle away on
another topic. Meanwhile...

You hit it with your Flail, and I'll hit it with mine.