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Is what you are describing a "Turning Shoulder Plane" procedure, OB?

Hey BBax.

Wasnt trying to but I see how you might have thought that. I have edited my previous post slightly to correct that.

The demonstration was really just to show that regardless of your chosen plane angle the "in" of the three dimensional takeaway is mainly attributable to the pivot.

The arms go up , the pivot goes back. They net out in some manner.

You could do the demo in another manner. With just your right arm and no club, swing back to top as per your normal swing. Then return your shoulders to a parallel to the line position while holding your hand in the air as at top. Your right arm and hand will move considerably closer to the plane line. The degree of "in" you have lost is the degree supplied by the pivot. It will be most of it.

Now when your hands are educated , hands to pivot, the brain sends the hands to their desired place and the pivot follows along accordingly , perfectly without us being conscious of it at all. Like reaching, grabbing for something. We do this all the time and should do it when golfing too.

Regards
ob