LynnBlakeGolf Forums - View Single Post - Pre Set of Hands @ Address and The Takeaway Thread: Pre Set of Hands @ Address and The Takeaway View Single Post #8 04-09-2009, 11:32 AM okie Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 858 Point at it! Originally Posted by BurleyGolf B-Ray- Thanks for the help, I thought that I might be right with the set up of the hands, it varies from each individual correct? As for the take away, I am aware of the hands but I guess I am scared for the hands to go in working around me, and keeping club out front. I was a Hardy One Plane Guy for a long time, in fact I was the ginny pig for most of the drills and concepts. I had videos of me them and now and I sucked the club in bad with a hooded face in the so called lawn mower move to start the back swing. Now the club is rotating open going back and I gues the hands are not working around enough to keep the left arm from creating seperation. Something to work on, I'll get it some how.. Thanks, BurleyGolf BurleyGolf, To me the one plan stuff is a "move" without reference except as to position. You suched the clubhead in IMO because the hands and arms were following the pivoting body. If you continue to trace the straight plane line with the on plane right forearm, the #3PP (sweetspot) for the entire duration of the stroke you will no doubt notice that the club appears to be outside the hands, with good radius etc. But what is especially note worthy is the understanding of the seperation of zone 1 (pivot) , from zone 2 (arms) and 3 (hands) 2 and 3 have seperate identities as well but pivot controlled hands is less precise. Less often now but my bad habit was getting under plane with my left wrist arched and the club face shut (open) at top...the only benefit to this was that my hands were always leading. At times however I did not reestablish the same amount of lean and the ball would go left...way left (where paciderms go to pack it in!) I have "good hands" so I would manipulate it OK most of the time. I posted today already about the importance of learning how to trace the straight base line of my chosen plane. I think the MacDonald drills are great, but as soon as I put a club in my hands my pivot seemed unruly. Tracing a straight line with flash lights laser pointers etc. revealed to me that when I am on plane my pivot was a responsive action. When I focus on my pivot without a club it tells me the extent and feel of the correct pivot...but when I have a club in my hands the pivot as I already said is responsive. EVERYTHING complies with the plane. you drag, you thrust, you hinge on plane. I built a "low bench rail" out of PVC in addition to lasers and flash lights. I hit most of my indoor basic motion shots using this rail. Talk about class time for my hands. I am amazed at how often my chip shots are executed with an off-plane motion. I call them "flatties" ie lacking 3-D impact. I know straight line thrust and tracing are not the same, but I think that the shape of your stroke (plane) comes first. I challenged my players (six months ago)to do some of the indoor drills for 15 minutes a week. That is roughly 6 hours. The best of the bunch managed 45 minutes...total! Meaning? They want to improve without changing! They do however hit hundreds of range balls! Homer's easy test for being on plane is ridiculously simple...a five year old can tell if he is on plane or not! In golf it is polite to point! Last edited by okie : 04-09-2009 at 11:35 AM. okie View Public Profile Send a private message to okie Find all posts by okie