[Vickie]

Hear, hear Ceasar Frostback. What a great post! Great knowledge and great authority, the man obviously knows of what he speaks!

I prefer a more holistic approach as well. More often than not I take people off the massive numbers of supplements (incidentally most of my people also come off their blood pressure medications and then their other little pills, too) and try to look more at food, and rest, and a balanced exercise program to maximize success and vitality.

I have still seen the product work but I also think your mental conviction is a great part of all progress in all of lifes efforts. So . . . I like a simple program and I don't take creatine but if I thought I needed to compete in a masters bodybuilding competition, I'd be tempted to volumize.

Vik