I for one find it very difficult swinging with my "right side".I could name any number of players who clearly start their downswing "from the feet"and end up blasting their right side as a result of "chain reaction".
Azinger repeated the comment several times during the tournament,guess he was a hitter.The same guy, incidentally,once said of Tigers swing, "look how his hips generate the clubhead speed"
Hardly" all right side" !
Why are Hips ever mentioned in a golfswing analysis ? I don't see the relevance at all since they are 2 joints that do nothing unless moved by something else.
BTW Hula Hula is done by using your feet
Why are Hips ever mentioned in a golfswing analysis ? I don't see the relevance at all since they are 2 joints that do nothing unless moved by something else.
BTW Hula Hula is done by using your feet
Yes and No. Yes, the golf stroke starts from the bottom up and the feet (platforms) then Knees (anchors) start the down stroke but the Hip Motion via a Hip Action is very relevant. Hula Hula is an INDEPENDENT yet coordinated movement of the Hips and Shoulders- its key objective is the maintain a center head and keep the geometric circle as true as possible. Swaylessness. There is a much that the hips do after the feet start the downstroke. If there wasn’t, our footjoys would be gripping the club. All motion is connected so it is also safe to say the feet move the shoulders and the hands. But NO, because much occurs between actions.
Azinger studied under John Redman. He teaches a turn in the barrel swing with the hips. This swing you can clearly see in Bobby Jones swing. In addition the club is to be swinging as defined by Ernest Jones. This is a 100% swinging action. Before I had my physical issues I found it to be a effective method to swing the club. I could think turn hips and have no problem doing that. I did not concern myself with the feet and the knees to make this move even though they did move.
I believe what Azinger was trying to say was you do have 2 hips and the right hip is the trailing hip and it is turning as well so that results in the right side of the body being used.
As for the finish swivel since Redman basically taught a strong grip he prefered a angled hinge to avoid hooks and have a preference for a fade pattern. Many of the strong grip swingers do this Couples etc.
As per my redman post that is how Redman teaches the grip. Hang your left arm relaxed and grip the club without any forearm rotation in either direction.
Dave
Originally Posted by Andy R
I wonder if Azinger's left hand lays that way naturally (and is therefore a correct grip for him, I think) or he does it by choice?
As per my redman post that is how Redman teaches the grip. Hang your left arm relaxed and grip the club without any forearm rotation in either direction.
Dave
Right you are, Davel.
Paul Azinger came to John Redman's driving range in 1979 with his Left Hand Turned to Plane -- the classic super-strong grip (the thumb-forefinger "V" pointing outside the right shoulder -- and John never changed it. At that time, Paul was a freshman in junior college having a hard time making the golf team -- "I had never broken 70 and seldom broke 80 two days in a row." Three years later he was on the PGA TOUR, and eight years later, was named PGA TOUR Player of the Year.
Read all about Paul's journey and the techniques that took him to the top in John's book, John Redman's Essentials Of The Golf Swing. The 'remaindered' market for the book is very buyer-friendly at the moment: Some very valuable information is between hard covers and can be yours for only a penny -- $0.01 -- and shipping charges. http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...7029824&sr=1-1
All that said, I dare say that Paul's 'hanging arm grip' would be decidedly less Turned to the right, i.e., more "neutral" (Rolled to the left). To show as many knuckles as Paul does, that left shoulder has to have a pretty severe 'anterior rotation' (a term I've learned from our own Vickie Lake). Thanks, Vickie.
Long story short (and using TGM terms for the benefit of the many members engaged in that study), what happened was that Paul brought to the table a Strong Double Action Grip (10-2-D / Left Wristcocking Motion on the same line as the Right Wrist Bend) and, with John's help, learned to use his Pivot (10-12-A / Standard Action) to originate and control Clubhead Power (10-4-D / 4 Barrel). Along the way, he learned to use Angled Hinging (10-10-C / Right Palm Paddle Wheel Action and No Roll Feel) to control the Clubface Alignment through Impact (or, as John would say, "No forearm rotation and knuckles up!").
Long story short (and using TGM terms for the benefit of the many members engaged in that study), what happened was that Paul brought to the table a Strong Double Action Grip (10-2-D / Left Wristcocking Motion on the same line as the Right Wrist Bend) and, with John's help, learned to use his Pivot (10-12-A / Standard Action) to originate and control Clubhead Power (10-4-D / 4 Barrel). Along the way, he learned to use Angled Hinging (10-10-C / Right Palm Paddle Wheel Action and No Roll Feel) to control the Clubface Alignment through impact (or, as John would say, "No forearm rotation and knuckles up!").
Paul Azinger came to John Redman's driving range in 1979 with his Left Hand Turned to Plane -- the classic super-strong grip (the thumb-forefinger "V" pointing outside the right shoulder -- and John never changed it. At that time, Paul was a freshman in junior college having a hard time making the golf team -- "I had never broken 70 and seldom broke 80 two days in a row." Three years later he was on the PGA TOUR, and eight years later, was named PGA TOUR Player of the Year.
Read all about Paul's journey and the techniques that took him to the top in John's book, John Redman's Essentials Of The Golf Swing. The 'remaindered' market for the book is very buyer-friendly at the moment: Some very valuable information is between hard covers and can be yours for only a penny -- $0.01 -- and shipping charges. http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...7029824&sr=1-1
All that said, I dare say that Paul's 'hanging arm grip' would be decidedly less Turned to the right, i.e., more "neutral" (Rolled to the left). To show as many knuckles as Paul does, that left shoulder has to have a pretty severe 'anterior rotation' (a term I've learned from our own Vickie Lake). Thanks, Vickie.
Long story short (and using TGM terms for the benefit of the many members engaged in that study), what happened was that Paul brought to the table a Strong Double Action Grip (10-2-D / Left Wristcocking Motion on the same line as the Right Wrist Bend) and, with John's help, learned to use his Pivot (10-12-A / Standard Action) to originate and control Clubhead Power (10-4-D / 4 Barrel). Along the way, he learned to use Angled Hinging (10-10-C / Right Palm Paddle Wheel Action and No Roll Feel) to control the Clubface Alignment through Impact (or, as John would say, "No forearm rotation and knuckles up!").
And the rest, as they say, is history.
Sounds like Redman helped to UNLOCK Azingers talent...a fine hitter at that.
Sounds like Redman helped to UNLOCK Azingers talent...a fine hitter at that.
DG
That's right, DG. The teacher is not God and thus cannot inject talent where there is none. But, he is able to help his student make the most of what is there, and that is an important contribution. Here's Paul Azinger's comment on the subject:
"Sure, I had some some God-given talent and I practiced hard, hitting hundreds of balls ever day, but John gave me excellent instruction. He recognized that my swing was too long and 'flippy' at the top. So the first thing we worked on was shortening my swing. Then he taught me how to use my legs and hips and how to turn level both back and through. That's a big part of his teaching. He also taught me to keep my hands and arms relaxed and to feel the weight of the club head on the end of the shaft.
John made a lot of changes to my swing, but the one thing he didn't change was my grip. I play with what many people call a strong grip. With most teachers, it wouldn't have lasted long. But, fortunately, John had the insight not to change it. He said that grip was natural for me, and that's how he wanted me to hold the club.
It's one thing to take an excellent golfer, make some adjustment to his stance, his ball position or some such, and marginally improve his play for a few weeeks. There are a lot of teachers who can do that. There aren't many, however, who can take someone as mediocre as I was and in three years have him playing the Tour. But that's exactly what John Redman did."
There are few relationships as complex -- or as fragile -- as that of player and coach. Since the teacher is not the performer, it is easy to limit his contribution to "informs and explains". But there is much more:
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