If you started with a small enough number 3 accumulator where you could make it to zero, via the uncocking motion. Otherwise, based on the grip taken maximum extension would be maximum uncocking regardless of whether you made it to zero #3 or not.
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Would this be a maximum #3? If so, what does this imply? And what if you were older and couldn't zero it because of an arthritic condition? Would this eliminate the #2 accumulator? How about #3? I see no reason for that because clearly Moe Norman never did either. For example, consider http://perfectgolfswingreview.net/swingplane.htm. It doesn't come close to the breadth of my argument, but you get the idea. Plus, if you'll draw the lines -- I see no need to go to that extreme here since it is obvious and everybody can see it -- you'll see that his head moved at least .0001 of an inch (in front of the ball . . . but that is in a different place than Ben Hogan's or Jack Nicklaus's ball). BTW, is that right? You know, should it be Nicklaus's or should it be just Nicklaus'?
Finally, would any of this affect my ability to pivot Saturday night at Hernando's Hideaway?
Please don't delay your post . . . "I gotsta know."
P.S. Jeff, please don't take offense, you know "I luv ya, man!" And sincerely appreciate all you are doing here. It's just that sometimes . . . it can get to be a bit much. But that's you, and I'm growing fond of your deep-digging. Keep it coming, my friend; just know that there are time constraints on my ability to read your insightful posts, let alone comprehend and respond.
Would this be a maximum #3? If so, what does this imply? And what if you were older and couldn't zero it because of an arthritic condition? Would this eliminate the #2 accumulator? How about #3? I see no reason for that because clearly Moe Norman never did either. For example, consider http://perfectgolfswingreview.net/swingplane.htm. It doesn't come close to the breadth of my argument, but you get the idea. Plus, if you'll draw the lines -- I see no need to go to that extreme here since it is obvious and everybody can see it -- you'll see that his head moved at least .0001 of an inch (in front of the ball . . . but that is in a different place than Ben Hogan's or Jack Nicklaus's ball). BTW, is that right? You know, should it be Nicklaus's or should it be just Nicklaus'?
Finally, would any of this affect my ability to pivot Saturday night at Hernando's Hideaway?
Please don't delay your post . . . "I gotsta know."
P.S. Jeff, please don't take offense, you know "I luv ya, man!" And sincerely appreciate all you are doing here. It's just that sometimes . . . it can get to be a bit much. But that's you, and I'm growing fond of your deep-digging. Keep it coming, my friend; just know that there are time constraints on my ability to read your insightful posts, let alone comprehend and respond.
Sorry Lynn but I can't answer you - I just started drinking myself. By the way, in post 32 you said that both eyes, the nose and my left wrist should be in-line and centered over my navel- please explain?
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Sorry Lynn but I can't answer you - I just started drinking myself. By the way, in post 32 you said that both eyes, the nose and my left wrist should be in-line and centered over my navel- please explain?
"The angle of the dangle" is irrespective of Center . . .
Et cetera . . .
Et cetera.
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It goes nowhere from here, Mike. Let's just let it go!
ok..... I certainly can't attempt to respond to the original concepts put forth in this thread more appropriately than Lynn et al, so I'm going on a tangent here with my "opinions":
1) I for one "do not" appreciate Jeff's meandering posts and for the life of me I can't understand the objective of most of them. I get an immediate case of "tired-head" when I get past the 1st paragraph in most cases.
2) I made an attempt to read Jeff's "white paper", but when I pulled up the video segment on "hitting" and saw his demonstration replete with a flattening right wrist into impact then "all bets were off" so to speak.
3) I do not know what Jeff's "mission" is either (as OB Left asked), but I think I read something to the effect of it being a "precision" description of the golf swing for deep analytical scientific thinkers (I'm paraphrasing). Well..... I think I played behind your 4-some today and we waited on every shot.
4) It sickens me to see Jeff throw around TGM terms as if he's an AI. It's one thing to have learned forum members use HK's "language" to help others with their questions. It's another (in my opinion) to use them in print and on video as if one is an expert in their meaning.
This stuff has been simmering with me for a bit and when I saw the swing sequence of a HYPER-FLEXIBLE Gulbis who has a bad back as an example of "see..... HK is wrong again" I had to speak up. TGM is difficult enough to understand and Lynn has done a lot to make more comprehendable for the masses. When I read Jeff's posts it seems like the attempt is to perpetuate the TGM stigma.
This stuff has been simmering with me for a bit and when I saw the swing sequence of a HYPER-FLEXIBLE Gulbis who has a bad back as an example of "see..... HK is wrong again" I had to speak up. TGM is difficult enough to understand and Lynn has done a lot to make more comprehendable for the masses. When I read Jeff's posts it seems like the attempt is to perpetuate the TGM stigma.
Not to worry, Comet. There are at least two purposes being served here, and I am deeply appreciative of both. One of Homer Kelley's favorite quotes says it all:
Under 2-H, HK wrote-: "The straight line requirements of the Compression Point are satisfied as long as the Lever Assembly Center is moving in a circle during Impact and Both the Vertical and Horizontal Centers move precisely in unison.
What is the Vertical Center?
What is the Horizontal Center?
HK also wrote-:"The important thing is that true Swing Center for ALL COMPONENTS is around a hinge pin with one end at the top of the Stationary head and the other in the ground, precisely between the Feet, with no regards for Body Location or Position at any time.
So, in this photo of Tiger Woods, does the yellow line represent the hinge pin around which the true Swing Center exists/rotates?
You wrote-: "I made an attempt to read Jeff's "white paper", but when I pulled up the video segment on "hitting" and saw his demonstration replete with a flattening right wrist into impact then "all bets were off" so to speak."
My U-tube name = Imperfect Golfer. That means that my visual demonstrations are imperfect. However, that doesn't mean that my understanding, or written descriptions, are imperfect.
I wrote regarding this next video-: "Note that Scott has maintained a bent right wrist (which is called a frozen right wrist) throughout his entire swing - backswing, downswing, followthrough and finish - and that he doesn't change the degree of right wrist bend at any time point throughout the swing."
Jeff.
p.s. If you don't like a person, who is not an AI, writing review papers for his personal website, then don't read my forthcoming review papers.
You wrote-: "I made an attempt to read Jeff's "white paper", but when I pulled up the video segment on "hitting" and saw his demonstration replete with a flattening right wrist into impact then "all bets were off" so to speak."
My U-tube name = Imperfect Golfer. That means that my visual demonstrations are imperfect. However, that doesn't mean that my understanding, or written descriptions, are imperfect.
I wrote regarding this next video-: "Note that Scott has maintained a bent right wrist (which is called a frozen right wrist) throughout his entire swing - backswing, downswing, followthrough and finish - and that he doesn't change the degree of right wrist bend at any time point throughout the swing."
Jeff.
p.s. If you don't like a person, who is not an AI, writing review papers for his personal website, then don't read my forthcoming review papers.
Jeff,
I assure you I have seen all that I want to of your "website" and the papers included therein. Your sidekick may have come close, but I pity the poor guy that stumbles across some of your Utube stuff and tries to execute a golf-like motion. At least update YOUR hitting motion and get a flat left wrist in there. It's the LEAST you can do as a TGM "expert"! Or does HK have that wrong too?
Please make sure you get the Gulbis sequence on there as well to support your theories.
Under 2-H, HK wrote-: "The straight line requirements of the Compression Point are satisfied as long as the Lever Assembly Center is moving in a circle during Impact and Both the Vertical and Horizontal Centers move precisely in unison.
What is the Vertical Center?
What is the Horizontal Center?
The two Centers you have referenced -- one for the Clubhead and the other for the Clubface (2-D-0) -- have nothing to do with the Pivot Center (The Glossary). Hence, they are not appropriate to this thread.
I will answer, but only in a dedicated thread, and that only because nobody I've read -- no matter how famous their MORAD or S&T instruction -- has gotten it right. However, I must warn you . . .
1. It will be without illustration (which I am not now prepared to supply), and thus, the answer will be somewhat obtuse.
2. Further, it will be provided only as my time allows in the very busy days ahead.
3. Finally, it will be useful to only a handful of people in the world.
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