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Old 12-16-2008, 12:23 PM
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You wrote-: "The other other way at looking at this is that he is managing his low point for the shot at hand. The ball forward of low point, his head back in an effort to launch a sky high ball for extreme distance. An artificial uphill type shot."

I disagree. He is making no attempt to hit up on the ball. He simply knows that if he gets his hands opposite his left thigh by impact, that the club's forward kick will cause the clubface to be facing upwards - if the ball is teed a little further.

Jamie Sadlowski was trained by Jason Zuback. There is no hip sway in Jamie's swing. The only difference to Jason Zuback's swing is that Jason positions his head centrally while Jamie positions his head further back - because he knows that he is going to have a lot of secondary axis tilt at impact when he swing his clubhead at >150mph through the impact zone.

Here is a swing video of his swing.



He does not sway in the backswing. Note how he braces his left side to keep in balance. He also needs secondary axis tilt to keep in balance. He only weighs 165lbs and his frame is much smaller than Jason's heavy torso. Jason can perform a more centralised swing and still keep in balance because of his heavy frame, but Jamie's body frame is different and he chooses to have more secondary axis tilt to keep in balance.

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p.s. You don't have to worry about "increased secondary axis tilt" hurting my back. I have such little hula hula flexibility that I cannot achieve 50% of Jamie's secondary axis tilt. I guess I don't need it with a clubhead speed of 95mph.
To hit the ball far . . . you extend from the feet up . . . each segment . . . . probably the biggest segment (really bunch of little segments) is the spine . . . . people who hit it really really long EXTEND/stretch out their spine . . .







Zuback even extends his spine on the back stroke ala Monty . .



No PIE HERE EITHER . . . . no reverse K
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Old 12-16-2008, 06:46 PM
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To hit the ball far . . . you extend from the feet up . . . each segment . . . . probably the biggest segment (really bunch of little segments) is the spine . . . . people who hit it really really long EXTEND/stretch out their spine . . .







Zuback even extends his spine on the back stroke ala Monty . .



No PIE HERE EITHER . . . . no reverse K

Bucky

Whats the explanation of this phenomena? Does it have a practical application for the tournament golfer under normal conditions?

Dont be scared, this aint a trap. I dont care what you are reading or anything.

PM me if you want.

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Old 12-16-2008, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by O.B.Left View Post
Bucky

Whats the explanation of this phenomena? Does it have a practical application for the tournament golfer under normal conditions?

Dont be scared, this aint a trap. I dont care what you are reading or anything.

PM me if you want.

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I think that's just the way it works . . . go check out some tennis serves . . . . it's the extension of the different levers/segments . . .







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Old 12-16-2008, 10:29 PM
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Yoda - you wrote-: "You interpret this Shaft Bend as "Kick" that Lays Back the Clubface. The truth is that Shaft Bend itself supplies neither 'Kick' nor 'LayBack'."

I don't understand your statement in the context of this photo.


Jamie's clubshaft looks like it has bent forward so that the peripheral end is closer to the target than the central end. Do you believe that this phenomenon is not really happening" If it is really happening, why would it not cause clubface layback?

Also, take a look at Jamie's forearm muscles. Very wimpy for the world's best long drive swinger I would think. I had a conversation with Jason Zuback and I asked him whether he used his right forearm/arm actively in his swing as a major source of power. He said that he didn't, and that he didn't feel that he was using any right arm power in his swing.

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Old 12-16-2008, 10:39 PM
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Here is some good Zuback slow mo - go to the 5:50 mark and it appears the club is hitting up on the ball while breaking the world ball speed record.

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Old 12-17-2008, 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Jeff View Post
Yoda - you wrote-: "You interpret this Shaft Bend as "Kick" that Lays Back the Clubface. The truth is that Shaft Bend itself supplies neither 'Kick' nor 'LayBack'."

I don't understand your statement in the context of this photo.


Jamie's clubshaft looks like it has bent forward so that the peripheral end is closer to the target than the central end. Do you believe that this phenomenon is not really happening" If it is really happening, why would it not cause clubface layback?
Uh . . . Jeff . . .

The noted bend -- produced by the Sweetspot striving to maintain its in-line condition with the #3 Pressure Point -- is exactly what I rerferenced in my Post #90 above. I know you can -- and need! -- to draw that line, so please do, for the benefit of all.



However, in the interest of future discourse, PLEASE try to connect the dots of prior posts.



Thank you.

. . .

Regarding Clubshaft "kick" producing Clubface Lay Back . . .

Please.

The Left Wrist (vertical to one of the three Associated Planes) controls the Clubface . . . not the Clubshaft 'kick'.

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Old 12-17-2008, 12:42 AM
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I have drawn a yellow line between the clubface sweetspot and PP#3.



Have I drawn the line correctly?

What are you therefore implying?

Are you implying that his thrust action is slightly upwards at that time point?

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Old 12-17-2008, 12:47 AM
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As I Said . . .
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I have drawn a yellow line between the clubface sweetspot and PP#3.



Have I drawn the line correctly?

What are you therefore implying?

Jeff.
Good job, Jeff. Thank you!

See the "parabolic Clubshaft bend" I mentioned above?

That is not Clubshaft "kick" . . . It is Clubshaft Inertia not being able to keep up with Centrifugal Pull.

Get it?

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Old 12-16-2008, 10:51 PM
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I think that's just the way it works . . .

That's the way me and Bob Feller http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Feller used to skip rocks.



Naah, Bob and I never skipped rocks together.

But . . .

As an avid little-leaguer, I knew a lot about him. I first read his name at age eleven in The Stars And Stripes, the American newspaper for military personnel (read, my father and us) stationed overseas. Little known to me, Bob was already retired, and his legend was in full bloom. Curious, I checked out his biography from the library at The American School On the Rhine and learned that he was an American Indian who threw the fast ball faster than anybody ever. http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...condition=used

Wow . . . what a story! I loved that book and read it a million times. I even carried it with me to school!

Fast forward twenty years . . .

At age 31, I met him personally one evening at a 1977 financial conference in Toronto where he represented one of the sponsors. There, he was at first diplomatic and then amused. But, when I looked him straight in the eye and quoted his stats:



Where was I?

Oh, yes . . .

Bob's left leg came down as his right arm swung back . . . and then he "let'er go!"

See my Post #150 here: http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...t=6241&page=15.

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Old 12-17-2008, 12:15 AM
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I think that's just the way it works . . . go check out some tennis serves . . . . it's the extension of the different levers/segments . . .







Nice Bucket! Finally contributing something of value!
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