Understanding Homer Kelley and 'Manipulated Hands'
Originally Posted by O.B.Left
In 7-3 Homer describes Grip Rotation for manipulated Hands Swingers and Hitters (basically all of us). As you take the ball back along the Arc of Approach to your desired placement you Rotate the handle in your hands . . .
O.B. Left, one of the great seekers, thinkers, and writers on LBG, has made an important point. One I fear is lost on most of us (as it was on me until I carefully re-read his post).
He states, "...as you take the BALL [emphasis mine] back along the Arc of Approach...". He did not say the CLUB!
To think that the golfer 'manipulates' the Hands during the Stoke is one of the Great Misconceptions of TGM. (There are many.) O.B.'s post assumes you know this, but long experience tells me you do not.
ALL 'Hand Manipulation' -- Hands to Handle/Clubface -- occurs when the Grip is taken in Fix (7-8; 8-2; 2-J-1) with the BALL in the desired location (Up Plane [back in Stance] or Down Plane [forward] for the Stoke intended. It does not take place dynamically during the Stroke.
Pre-empting the next question, Hinge Actions -- there are three, each the direct responsibility of the Hands -- are not 'Manipulations'. Instead, they are 10th Component Variations that maintain their respective identities despite any Left Wrist-to-Clubface alterations assumed at Fix.
Yes Grip Rotation listed under Hitters in 6-H-0 is also the procedure for manipulated Hands Swingers . Making me think that the Imperatives of 6-H-0 , Swinging, should really be considered those for True Swinging. But I dunno.
Grip Rotation is one reason I prefer round grips personally. Think about it. I suppose you could rotate a ribbed grip or whatever you call em when you glue them on so the rib sits just right when the face is square at the clubs Straight Away Position, but then it'd get rotated clock or anti clock of that for balls played fore or aft of that ball position, no?
Im going to bed you TGM guys talk about some weird stuff.
Ps
Anyone ever considered how the more you move the ball back, the more you rotate your grip , the more your Standard Wrist Action approaches Sing..........ah forget it.
Pre-empting the next question, Hinge Actions -- there are three, each the direct responsibility of the Hands -- are not 'Manipulations'. Instead, they are 10th Component Variations that maintain their respective identities despite any Left Wrist-to-Clubface alterations assumed at Fix.
I am the HP at pine tree golf club in boynton beach, suburb of palm beach
You and any other LBG folks are always welcome!
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Will do Dan. Im coming to Fla next March just not sure if its left or right side as of yet.
BTW have you ever played Seminole, just up the road from you. I can't even find photos of that course on line. Super exclusive .... Last time I was in Miami I called the pro shop and was very, very politely denied access. Despite my begging , pleading.
O.B. Left, one of the great seekers, thinkers, and writers on LBG, has made an important point. One I fear is lost on most of us (as it was on me until I carefully re-read his post).
He states, "...as you take the BALL [emphasis mine] back along the Arc of Approach...". He did not say the CLUB!
To think that the golfer 'manipulates' the Hands during the Stoke is one of the Great Misconceptions of TGM. (There are many.) O.B.'s post assumes you know this, but long experience tells me you do not.
ALL 'Hand Manipulation' -- Hands to Handle/Clubface -- occurs when the Grip is taken in Fix (7-8; 8-2; 2-J-1) with the BALL in the desired location (Up Plane [back in Stance] or Down Plane [forward] for the Stoke intended. It does not take place dynamically during the Stroke.
Pre-empting the next question, Hinge Actions -- there are three, each the direct responsibility of the Hands -- are not 'Manipulations'. Instead, they are 10th Component Variations that maintain their respective identities despite any Left Wrist-to-Clubface alterations assumed at Fix.
While shooting a 46 and Hitting on a front 9, yesterday, I was concentrating on driving my right elbow from 7 to 1 through the ball cross-line. Despite going 5/3/5 on the first three holes, I realized I wasn't in control of the ball (Lynn's sand/putting/chipping lessons let me hit a pin from the sand and drain two long putts).
There is so much power in the hitting motion! I use it for my sand, chips and pitches. But it is terrifying, as you all know, not knowing where the ball is going with a driver, hybrid or even a 9 iron. And on the front 9 yesterday, I kept searching for the correct ball position but fighting my hands, my right wrist was not staying bent! Sometimes I'd shape a hybrid with a little draw right on line to a pin. Sometimes, I'd bomb a drive (280 yards down a slot in the fairway) but then hook a 9 iron (1.5 club elevation), it just never occurred to me that the ball position and hand position are directly related!
So I sort of wimped out and opened my club face and kept swinging to keep the ball fading back to the middle (and gave up at least 30 yards). And I shot a 40.
I feel like I can shoot par swinging but I can shoot lower than par with a hitting stroke. This tip will help me be a better swinger and hitter.
ICT
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
Lynn,
Wanted to follow up since our lesson. I have been following the drills. Let me tell you, WOW, what a difference in my ball striking- I am hitting my dirver LOOOOONNGGG, and of course much straighter. I want to thank you for making the understanding and action of the swing much simpler than I have ever had!
I want to come back down- Perhaps in the Fall, give myself 8 weeks or so of drilling---
thanks Man- what a difference!
But it is terrifying, as you all know, not knowing where the ball is going with a driver, hybrid or even a 9 iron. And on the front 9 yesterday, I kept searching for the correct ball position but fighting my hands, my right wrist was not staying bent! Sometimes I'd shape a hybrid with a little draw right on line to a pin. Sometimes, I'd bomb a drive (280 yards down a slot in the fairway) but then hook a 9 iron (1.5 club elevation), it just never occurred to me that the ball position and hand position are directly related! 
Hybrid Mode
