I like the Ben Dole set up routine where the right foot is cocked inn on the ball posistion line, aim the club, step over with your left 1 inch from that line, turn the foot out, set your right, and adjust width for club if needed. My question is when aiming the club face are you doing it with a slight foreward press? or Do you do it by adjust the face open? I tried it both ways and found that if I open I seem to miss it left alot, ecspecially with the driver. If I foreward press to much I miss it right and have a low ball flight. What I have found is when I square the club with a slight foreward press, my hands are just a little in front of the ball, and it seems to be starting on target line with either a 1 to 3 yard fade, or a slight draw that fades at the end.
Now, the other issue I am having is the takeaway. I am rolling the club open like I feel is correct “Not sucking it inside”...But! the left arm is getting seperation from the body on the BS… At the top of the back swing it is where I want it but, I know this is wrong with the left arm seperation coming off the body..
I am also a fan of Ben Doyle's address routine. I believe it adds structure to the set up and creates a routine you can rely on under the gun.
What you are finding through the different set ups is correct for you.
Set up routine can affect the golf swing....like how the club and hands move away from the ball in the backswing (purchase Lynn's premium video with Brian Gay to see a great description) and even clubface position at impact.
It sounds like you have found what works best.
In regards to the takeaway I would check to make sure you hands aren't moving away from your body as you take the club back.
Hope this helps....good luck in your future G.O.L.F.
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I am also a fan of Ben Doyle's address routine. I believe it adds structure to the set up and creates a routine you can rely on under the gun.
What you are finding through the different set ups is correct for you.
Set up routine can affect the golf swing....like how the club and hands move away from the ball in the backswing (purchase Lynn's premium video with Brian Gay to see a great description) and even clubface position at impact.
It sounds like you have found what works best.
In regards to the takeaway I would check to make sure you hands aren't moving away from your body as you take the club back.
Hope this helps....good luck in your future G.O.L.F.
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Thanks for the help, I thought that I might be right with the set up of the hands, it varies from each individual correct? As for the take away, I am aware of the hands but I guess I am scared for the hands to go in working around me, and keeping club out front. I was a Hardy One Plane Guy for a long time, infact I was the ginny pig for most of the drills and concepts. I had videos of me them and now and I sucked the club in bad with a hooded face in the so called lawn mower move to start the back swing. Now the club is rotating open going back and I gues the hands are not working around enough to keep the left arm from creating seperation. Something to work on, I'll get it some how..
Remember the club works three dimensionally in the takeaway:
Back
Up
and
In
I would check in a mirror or on video to see how your club is moving.
If it's to far in go more up etc.
Hope this helps.
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So, I think I have the hands now in the right position @ address... I had some one watch today that knows some about TGM a friend of mine who was John Reigger's caddy, he told me to trace with the hands? I am not sure tracing is a good thing right now for I am not sure what I am tracing is correct. I guess what I want to here from someone on this forum is; "How do I get from address to waist high the correct way"? Is there a certain length to take the club back rolling it open? Is it the right or left the rolls the face open? Do the hands start the roll? I believe I have the rest of the swing and set up figured out it my head, but as you can see I am far from level minded about the take away... I guess at my level the things that are most fought by us are alignment and pressure change in the hands "Throw Away"... I have never felt this confused about my swing, and it's really not the swing just one part the take away...Lol
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Last edited by BurleyGolf : 03-22-2009 at 12:57 AM.
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Got “It” consistant! I fixed the left arm seperation and the take away by working out the take away. I was trying to roll the face from the get go and had no shoulder or hip movement. I found by keeping the face looking at the ball longer you have to use the upper trunk and the left arm does what is supost to. In this new position I can roll the club up and back now with no left arm seperation and turn the hips to bring the hands back to the aiming point with little throw away, and with a more crisp sound like I used to have. Now my bad shots seem to be when I try to hit it too hard and get the hands involved, gets a little heavey! or occational thin! So this is where the tempo and rythem come in and leave the pivot do the work..
So, I think I have the hands now in the right position @ address... I had some one watch today that knows some about TGM a friend of mine who was John Reigger's caddy, he told me to trace with the hands? I am not sure tracing is a good thing right now for I am not sure what I am tracing is correct. I guess what I want to here from someone on this forum is; "How do I get from address to waist high the correct way"? Is there a certain length to take the club back rolling it open? Is it the right or left the rolls the face open? Do the hands start the roll? I believe I have the rest of the swing and set up figured out it my head, but as you can see I am far from level minded about the take away... I guess at my level the things that are most fought by us are alignment and pressure change in the hands "Throw Away"... I have never felt this confused about my swing, and it's really not the swing just one part the take away...Lol
Thanks,
BurleyGolf-
The pivot will take care of the back and in. Get that magic of the right forearm bending right away for the up part. Most golfers don’t seem to want to get the club head moving up soon enough.
Start the bending of the right forearm right from the start of the take away and work on that with the sequence of the pivot watching in a mirror and you will have a perfect take away in no time.
Lynn talks about this in the Alignment Golf DVD’s. If you don’t have them get them. It will clear up many things about the take away and much more about TGM.
Also the price of $79.95 is a steal for the information you receive. You could spend hundreds of dollars in lessons for the information on the DVD’s.
I suggest you wear out your DVD player watching them over and over many times.
Thanks for the help, I thought that I might be right with the set up of the hands, it varies from each individual correct? As for the take away, I am aware of the hands but I guess I am scared for the hands to go in working around me, and keeping club out front. I was a Hardy One Plane Guy for a long time, in fact I was the ginny pig for most of the drills and concepts. I had videos of me them and now and I sucked the club in bad with a hooded face in the so called lawn mower move to start the back swing. Now the club is rotating open going back and I gues the hands are not working around enough to keep the left arm from creating seperation. Something to work on, I'll get it some how..
Thanks,
BurleyGolf
BurleyGolf,
To me the one plan stuff is a "move" without reference except as to position. You suched the clubhead in IMO because the hands and arms were following the pivoting body. If you continue to trace the straight plane line with the on plane right forearm, the #3PP (sweetspot) for the entire duration of the stroke you will no doubt notice that the club appears to be outside the hands, with good radius etc. But what is especially note worthy is the understanding of the seperation of zone 1 (pivot) , from zone 2 (arms) and 3 (hands) 2 and 3 have seperate identities as well but pivot controlled hands is less precise. Less often now but my bad habit was getting under plane with my left wrist arched and the club face shut (open) at top...the only benefit to this was that my hands were always leading. At times however I did not reestablish the same amount of lean and the ball would go left...way left (where paciderms go to pack it in!) I have "good hands" so I would manipulate it OK most of the time. I posted today already about the importance of learning how to trace the straight base line of my chosen plane. I think the MacDonald drills are great, but as soon as I put a club in my hands my pivot seemed unruly. Tracing a straight line with flash lights laser pointers etc. revealed to me that when I am on plane my pivot was a responsive action. When I focus on my pivot without a club it tells me the extent and feel of the correct pivot...but when I have a club in my hands the pivot as I already said is responsive. EVERYTHING complies with the plane. you drag, you thrust, you hinge on plane. I built a "low bench rail" out of PVC in addition to lasers and flash lights. I hit most of my indoor basic motion shots using this rail. Talk about class time for my hands. I am amazed at how often my chip shots are executed with an off-plane motion. I call them "flatties" ie lacking 3-D impact. I know straight line thrust and tracing are not the same, but I think that the shape of your stroke (plane) comes first.
I challenged my players (six months ago)to do some of the indoor drills for 15 minutes a week. That is roughly 6 hours. The best of the bunch managed 45 minutes...total! Meaning? They want to improve without changing! They do however hit hundreds of range balls! Homer's easy test for being on plane is ridiculously simple...a five year old can tell if he is on plane or not! In golf it is polite to point!
That is pretty good stuff, I had someone explain the difference to me the other day about hands pivot and pivot hands. I have been working on it and could tell an immediate difference. No tire, No impact bag, or No scooby doo in the world is going to help when you have pivot controlled hands I'm finding. I waisted a few weeks but not really, I did get some other benefits out of my practice. I do not have any TGM books, or any of LB'S DVD video's, I have watched some of his video's on the site but most of the information people speak is like Star wars language to me with R-2-D-2, 2-M-3, or 4- Barrel.. It is harder to learn and I think I said in my first post some where forgive me if I ask stupid questions.. Even though I do not know all the terms yet, I do believe I have the moves I want to make now, the hands controlled pivot is the biggest, but now I have one last issue the left arm "Extensor" once I get that in place things should start looking up. Not that there bad now! I am just trying to learn and mostly experimenting. I can scrap it around on any course in the mid 70's with pretty much any swing, but I really want to try and learn this style of the TGM the right way in case I ever have a student that has read the Book and wants to learn. We are always learning, Hogan was experimenting up until he lost his mind and could not any more. Thanks for the information it is a big help.
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