If one aims the hands in a straight line thrust direction towards the aiming point (ball), why do Hogan's hands first go backwards before they go forwards? Conceptually, if one thrusts one's hands in a straight line direction towards the ball from the top of the swing, then the hands should go in a straight line direction towards the ball (down-and-out-and-forwards), and not first go down-and-out-and-backwards.
If one aims the hands in a straight line thrust direction towards the aiming point (ball), why do Hogan's hands first go backwards before they go forwards? Conceptually, if one thrusts one's hands in a straight line direction towards the ball from the top of the swing, then the hands should go in a straight line direction towards the ball (down-and-out-and-forwards), and not first go down-and-out-and-backwards.
Jeff.
Not for sure what Mr. Hogans aiming point concept was! I think I see what you are talking about but not quite sure. What I do see is Mr. Hogan tracing a straight plane line with his right forearm and clubhead lag pressure point. I understand that the hands are directed to and through the ball or aiming point to both arms straight configuration. It could be Clubshaft Length, Handspeed or Release Point which are the 3 concerns of aiming point.
Apologizes that I am not much help on this I just don't know what his aiming point was or what he was trying to do on this stroke.
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Sustain the line of compression,
if you go to "end"...you come back via "top"...HK describes this as "top arc" and the circle delivery path as an extendsion of this "Top arc" path...there is no axis tilt in a circle delivery path so I presume there is no axis tilt in "top Arc"....there is no early axis tilt to give early straight line delivery path.
Why don't you try and do some straight line thrusting yourself....vary your aiming point....see what shapes you get.... ?? Less gendanken...more ge-do-ing...
Most of the axis tilt in Hogan's swing came later in the downswing.
For your own experiments - you only need to go to shoulder high backswing , you can draw a straight line....don't be scared...do it and post your own stuff....then ask why does it work / not work....BH has never committed to paper of public record that he had an aiming point concept outside his experience of PP3 through the impact interval (as per Coleman video)...It is less than fruitful to interpret his swing through the medium of a concept which he almost certainly did not use consciously. But you on the other hand know all about it....
I have spent many, many hours playing with the aiming point concept. I don't believe that is has a major effect on a golfer's ability produce a straight line versus non-straight line hand delivery path in the early downswing.
I think that the straight line thrust is mainly useful for sensing/maintaining clubhead lag and it may/may not affect the release point of PA#2.
I have spent many, many hours playing with the aiming point concept. I don't believe that is has a major effect on a golfer's ability produce a straight line versus non-straight line hand delivery path in the early downswing.
I think that the straight line thrust is mainly useful for sensing/maintaining clubhead lag and it may/may not affect the release point of PA#2.
Jeff.
Jeff, downswing waggle, aiming point, delivery path, plane shift - they are all linked together...where is your data from all your hours playing...what are you basing your conclusions on...."feels as if"? Surely some of those hours playing with these concepts have been caught on video at the very least?
I would love to see 3D data - with trackman if you have it - of a player using aiming point concept, various aiming points....see what happens...if you really want to know this stuff then you have to try it with feedback.... convert some of those hours into dollars (time is money) and rent some trackman time... I'm sure the custom fitting guys are feeling the credit crunch and would love to rent you the T-man for a few hours.... it's not like they'll be selling many clubs at the moment!
THEN post your data using aiming concept rather than Hogan data when he almost certainly wasn't using it.
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