Thanks for all inputs…for swinging, any comment for the following:-
Move your arms the least the better, pivot, internal turning will swing the club back, up and in…the club will also set our wrists; you don’t consciously lift the arms…
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If you cannot take the shoulder down the clubshaft plane, you must take along some other path and add compensations - now, instead of one motion to remember, you wind up with at least two!
Thanks for all inputs…for swinging, any comment for the following:-
Move your arms the least the better, pivot, internal turning will swing the club back, up and in…the club will also set our wrists; you don’t consciously lift the arms…
If this is out of TGM then I must have everything all wrong. How could turning the body take the club up?
If this is out of TGM then I must have everything all wrong. How could turning the body take the club up?
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An inward turn produces an outward force. This is similar to what GSED Gregg McHatton preaches and what could be interpreted as Pivot control Hands. The sharper the inward turn the more the club moves away from you and not under Plane. The issue stills lie in the execution. Can the club be moved on the Plane that you have selected consciously or subconsciously.
An inward turn produces an outward force. This is similar to what GSED Gregg McHatton preaches and what could be interpreted as Pivot control Hands. The sharper the inward turn the more the club moves away from you and not under Plane. The issue stills lie in the execution. Can the club be moved on the Plane that you have selected consciously or subconsciously.
Very interesting Drew, thanks.
So this would be CF on the backswing is that right? A Pivot driven backswing?
Not knowing Mr McHatton or the full breadth of this, it does on the surface remind me of Knudsons teachings. Pivot to hands. I can imagine it golf wise but only with hands that know where to go. Or for people who already have educated hands, if this makes sense. I dont see it when we are doing normal every day motions. Grabbing a cup off the top shelf in the kitchen, do we wing the shoulders around to throw the arm and hand up to the top shelf? Maybe I am misconstruing things.
No disrespect intended to Mr McHatton. I like Blobman.
Drew told the story behind...but I really don't know is that pivot to hand or hand to pivot....Mr. Ben Doyle said in his DVD "The Hands are controlling the pivot, the hands are...come on pivot, take me back, assemble, load me, come on delivery me and releasing through the ball..."
I have a question long in my mind: Can we both monitor the hands and pivot at the same time?
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If you cannot take the shoulder down the clubshaft plane, you must take along some other path and add compensations - now, instead of one motion to remember, you wind up with at least two!
Its a bit of a chicken and egg thing I guess and very big topic. Biomechanics etc. I love the David Orr RFT video. Thought provoking.
I'd say the Knudsons, Doyles and McHattons of the world already have very educated hands. For them the pivot maybe is supplying a supporting force, to the arms travel. I can see the pivot throwing the arms "back" and "in" but not "up" for instance. There must be something else going on to get the arms up. I think.
For the rest of us mortals if the pivot is throwing the hands off in the wrong direction (normally too far "in" or under the plane ) then I think we should put our minds in our hands and let our brain work with them. Extensor action really helped me with all of this.
Anyways Ill let the bigger brained pro's wade in here, if they feel so inclined.
For the rest of us mortals if the pivot is throwing the hands off in the wrong direction (normally too far "in" or under the plane ) then I think we should put our minds in our hands and let our brain work with them.
Left undirected, the Hands go where the Right Shoulder goes.
In Start Up, that means "inside" the Line. But, the Hands have a choice . . .
And that choice, as the Right Shoulder rotates back -- toward the Plane -- is to point the Sweetspot at the Straight Plane Line.
From the Top, if the Right Shoulder rotates off the Plane -- "outside" the Line instead of toward the Ball -- then the Hands have no choice . . .
They must go along. Geometry -- however On Plane intentioned -- is no match for Off Plane Physics.
Fortunately, Educated Hands understand this phenomenon and control it.
Integrate the Start Down Waggle -- 3-F-5 per 8-7 and 12-3-0 / 7-- into your Pre-Shot Routine.
I am working on swinging procedure...my perception of "Educated hands" means F.L.V. at address; Cock and Uncock; turn and roll; right wrist bent...monitor the hands instead of the clubhead/clubface...unless we have a very funny grip, centripetal/centrifugal; club design...together with plenty of Look Look Look practice sessions, I think the mission of Hands can be accomplished.
Homer emphatically stated in 9-1:- Hands are not educated until they control the Pivot...and in the same chapter, those pictures show the pivot motion without hands and arms commend.
I also feel that variations of Foot; Knee; and Hip action, flat vs rotated shoulder turn affect the arms and hands path...if we use grabbing a cup off the top shelf in the kitchen and see how the body works, we might not have so much variations….
In my case, I lately try to ingrain V.J. missing piece of work and I have a quite a strong feeling that force from the ground up made my swing start and end. Shots are solid...190 yards par 3 head wind with an 5-i almost got my first ace last Sat ...but like drewitgolf said…Can the club be moved on the Plane, the issue stills lie in the execution or I am still missing something or wrong.
KOC
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If you cannot take the shoulder down the clubshaft plane, you must take along some other path and add compensations - now, instead of one motion to remember, you wind up with at least two!
...but like drewitgolf said…Can the club be moved on the Plane, the issue stills lie in the execution or I am still missing something or wrong.
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