So with the Hands above the Right Shoulder at top......youve got problems in that the shoulders will pull the hands out and over top of the plane in startdown.
But what if the Hands are under the Right Shoulder........like they are when Hogan or Sergio are mid vertical drop? A down plane move of the Right Shoulder will have a corresponding off/under plane move of the hands wont it? What are the implications to the direction of the Shoulder turn then?
Thanks for the video, thats what Im wondering about.
You want the Pivot via the Right Shoulder to take the Hands down plane towards the plane line/ base line in Startdown, right? The reasoning behind the TSP angle(s). But if the Right Shoulder is above the Inclined Plane (as formed by the Hands and Base Line) , wouldnt the Right Shoulder have to move towards a point above/beyond the Base Line to get the Hands to go towards the Base Line?
I dunno. Hands direct the Shoulder to turn towards where ever , Hands to Pivot, it all works out? With TSP angle you get a definite Alignment with the Right Shoulder moving towards the Base Line in Startdown (only) as if it was gonna smack the ball. Im getting real fond of that actually, then a little Throw and Release. Three stage rocket.
Hey Bucket, look at what this guy is up to. Towel drill, Rotated? Is it a TSP too or not?
Thanks for the video, thats what Im wondering about.
You want the Pivot via the Right Shoulder to take the Hands down plane towards the plane line/ base line in Startdown, right? The reasoning behind the TSP angle(s). But if the Right Shoulder is above the Inclined Plane (as formed by the Hands and Base Line) , wouldnt the Right Shoulder have to move towards a point above/beyond the Base Line to get the Hands to go towards the Base Line?
I dunno. Hands direct the Shoulder to turn towards where ever , Hands to Pivot, it all works out? With TSP angle you get a definite Alignment with the Right Shoulder moving towards the Base Line in Startdown (only) as if it was gonna smack the ball. Im getting real fond of that actually, then a little Throw and Release. Three stage rocket.
Hey Bucket, look at what this guy is up to. Towel drill, Rotated? Is it a TSP too or not?
Let's take a few of these . . . these "intentions" may or may not work for all procedures . . . .
You want the Pivot via the Right Shoulder to take the Hands down plane towards the plane line/ base line in Startdown, right?
In some motions I believe this is correct for some plane angles . . . Here's Brian perfectly on plane . . . seems to be directing his hands toward the plane line . . .
Lovemark on the other hand I would say has an entirely different intention in terms of where his hands are being directed. Note the difference in the relationship of the shoulders to the hands. Note the angle of the left arm when it is parallel to the ground and its relationship to the stance line. Note the difference in the relationship of the left arm to the ground at "delivery" . . . Lovemark seems to be directing his hands at a point INSIDE the plane line . . . and the respective shoulder motions seem to me to support this "intention".
But if the Right Shoulder is above the Inclined Plane (as formed by the Hands and Base Line) , wouldnt the Right Shoulder have to move towards a point above/beyond the Base Line to get the Hands to go towards the Base Line?
I believe you are correct in regard to this statement . . . If you were able to track the motions of the right shoulder you would see that Lovemarks shoulder motion is likely pointing outside/above the plane line . .. supporting that particular handpath.
Is it just me or does Brian look a tad laid off there at Top? Dont think Ive seen that in any of his recent swings. Ever so slightly arched?
Any who both those guys get on their Impact Plane Angles really early .......the sooner the better to my mind. Both have a very minimal shift from Top to get down there too......also a very good thing to my mind.
In the first frame Brian is TSP'n it , in the second frame he's TSP and has dropped down to his Impact Plane Angle so he has shifted if ever so slightly during Startdown. Double shift but very minimal in terms of degrees ......something I think makes good sense if shifting is hazardous.
Lovemark's Rotated but doesnt shift much either. I say Rotated but if he Slides and Tilts his Axis it wont be Rotated by definition anymore. Not sure if he does that or not. If he does it Rotated/Down combo maybe even though its not actually planed like Bucket says? Still dont have my book with me to look up the proper terminology.
Anyways in regard to this posts initial question: Look at Brian Gays first frame there. Since we're talking Homer and Lynn around here assume he wants a TSP angle at Top. (And I do have to state a preference for them personally) He's got himself on one there nicely, fairly close to his Impact Plane Angle which D has drawn for us right? Not much of a shift required therefore.
Now imagine him making a steeper turn of the shoulders in Startup.......in doing so he'll find a TSP angle which is further away from the Impact Plane Angle , the red line there....... Requiring a bigger shift on the way down in terms of degrees. Bigger shift bigger hazard. Thats my final answer on Flat back, why?
Im interested in other opinions .......Rotated , Right Shoulder above Plane .....interesting stuff.
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